Thursday, November 12, 2009

Examples of christian sites-another one targeting muslims

This southern California based ministry is called "Minsitry to Muslims" founded by a former muslim George Saieg (its weird because one area says he is a former muslim while other area's say he was always a catholic). This ministry has had complaints from other muslims before and thankfully our friends at islamonline took care of the incidents.
Like all other christian sites and "former" muslims, they have a habit of attacking islam in every way possible. Once again despite islamic sites, lectures, video's by male and female scholor's who continously and constantly refute all myths and lies these missionaries tend to spread (mostly for evangalist purposes), they apparently dont' get it. It is quite understandable with the drug of ignorance and the drunk ideologies, we muslims shouldn't pressure their tiny fogged up minds too much. They can't/wont accept/handle truth.
They want to be free. They want to open their hearts. Which is why some muslims convert to christianity. But that freedom means theres no pressure of God, unlike in islam. No pressure makes you do anything you want without the fear of God-Taliban and Al-Queda fit in this category as well (a quote from the world-renown Amir Liyaqat Hussein. A notable and very popular scholor from Pakistan).

Anyways like many problems christians suffer, they tend to take verses and hadiths (reliable or not) out of context, even switch a few words around, or even full sentences (like our friends at islamreview (another anti-islam christian site)).
Again, they use it mostly for evangelist uses. Remember Phillipians 1:18 allows them to lie for Christ, as Paul said.
All right lets begin:

Just a few weeks later, 9/11 occurred, calling Saieg to expose Islam's deceptive teachings and mobilize American Christians to action. Soon after, he began ACP and hasn’t stopped speaking in churches and conferences all across the US . In 2006, George was ordained as a pastor by Calvary Chapel.

**Well I dont know how the acts of a few means anyone needs to expose a faith. I can do the same with the Klu Klux Klan, the Army of God or the Lord's Resistance Army who slaughter(ed) many.
Take SERIOUS AND STRICT NOTES about his MAJOR evangalism he presents (to lure the reader) next**

To my Muslim Friends,



I do not desire to offend any of you. I do not have a problem with Muslim people I have a problem with the religion of Islam. I know that many of you did not have the choice to become Muslim. Soon after the death of Muhammad many wanted to leave Islam, but Abu Bakr threatened punishment for all apostates. For many of you, Islam is not a choice you have made; it is a religion passed down to you by your family. I understand that leaving Islam is equal to leaving your family.


**Actually the convert rate to islam is EXTREMLEY high, alot more than the decreasing christianity.
There is NO source of ANYONE wanting to leave Islam after Muhammed's pbuh death. Furthermore Abu Bakr NEVER punished ANYONE. Again there's NO EVIDENCE AT ALL about anyone leaving islam after the Prophet's death. And again there is no punishment for those who leave islam.
We muslims simply dont take Islam just for the sake of it. That's christians and it's quite clear.**

There are some of you who keep your questions to yourself out of fear, even if you don’t believe. I do not want to make your life difficult, to challenge you, or threaten you. My heart is to give you choice and freedom. Don’t be afraid of what people think, open your mind to who Jesus really is. Listen to what He says,

“All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.” (Matthew 11:27-30)

**No not really. Any questions that come up we ask scholors or friends or family.
We know we have a choice and we choose Islam.
The bible itself has no clear indications of who wrote what gospels. Mathew like George presents here, only has limited evidence (which is thoughts by scholors) that Mathew actually wrote it. None the less, what evidence is there these people were inspired by God (the ones who wrote the bible)?
The next few pargraphs are just more verses. They dont mean much and have no real relations to George's purpose**

Muhammad was born in Mecca in 570 A.D. In 609 A.D., at the age of forty, Muhammad proclaimed himself to be the prophet of Islam, which means "submission to Allah". In 622 A.D., Muhammad fled to Medina after being rejected by the leaders in Mecca . Islam became such a large and powerful military force that by the year 630 A.D., Muhammad was able to return to Mecca , conquer his enemies, and destroy all idols. By the time of his death in the year 632 A.D., the entire Arabian Peninsula was under the rule of Islam by the sword. In the time of the successors of Muhammad after his death, Islam was spread by the sword to India , parts of China , Syria , Israel , Jordan , Egypt , Persia , parts of Asia, Afghanistan , the Caucuses, Sub Saharan Africa, Malaysia , and Indonesia.

**We can see how christians are going to do their best, to choose the lowest rung of words to apply to Muhammed pbuh. Like how he was "rejected" by leaders in Mecca. Actually when we look at the cold hard facts he, his family, his followers and close friends fled because of PERSECUTION.
Islam was spread by the sword? I suggest if Mr Saieg is going to lie, he might as well know the actual truth (DO RESEARCH).**

1. Shahada - Confession of faith (There is no god other than Allah. Muhammad is the messenger of Allah).

2. Salat - Prayer (Five times a day facing Mecca ).

3. Zakat - Charity (2.5 % of income).

4. Sawm - Fast (During the lunar month of Ramadan from the sunrise to sunset).

5. Hajj - Pilgrimage (Once during lifetime, if affordable).

6. Jihad - Killing the infidels (Christian and Jewish) in the name of Allah.


**Once again lies show (Paul commanded them to lie for Christ (http://www.justgivemethetruth.com/paul_was_a_deceiver.htm:
Phillipians 1:18-But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.))
There are FIVE pillars of Islam. Jihad is considered by SOME as an UNOFFICIAL pillar. Jihad means struggle. We muslims constantly go through this in the West.
Killing is NOT in our faith. ESPECIALLY people of the book.**

Islam teaches that completing the first five pillars is not a guaranty that you will escape hell and go to heaven. The one exception is the reward for dying in Jihad as a martyr for Islam. The reward is heaven and 72 virgin women.

**No not really. Islam ONLY allows war with those who CALL WAR on muslims. And Islam expects muslims (especially men) to stand up in war.
72 virgins actually comes from a false hadith. There will be women, BUT as islam says, the good muslim women will be MORE beautiful then the ones in heaven.
http://www.readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE&cid=1123996016438

Theres similar questions on the bottom of the page.**

. Islam requires its followers to force others to accept Islam. Muslims must fight until their enemy submits to Islam. (Sura 2:193; 9:5; 9:29; 47:4)


· Islam instructs Muslims not to befriend Jews or Christians. (Sura 5:51)


· Fight to death those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book (Christians and Jews).... (Sura 9:29)


· Islam teaches that the Qur'an is the Constitution; God is the author of law and the State is the agent to implement the law. (Sura 4:105 and 12:40)


· Resisting Islam (by various means) is punished by death, crucifixion, or the cutting off of the hands and feet. (Sura 5:33)


· Prophet! Rouse the Believers to the fight.... (Sura 8:65)


· Fighting is prescribed upon you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you.... (Sura 2:16)


· "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)....." (Sura 9:5)


**I've explained many times before of the so called "violent" verses. To save time visit the misquoted verses section at load-islam that THOROUGHLY refute the christian myths. What happens is chrisians forget the verses above and below that talk about specific events, making it seem as if the verses actually mean what they do.**

• Islam teaches that men are superior to women. (Sura 2:228)


• Islam considers the wife a possession. (Sura 3:14)


• Islam teaches that a wife is subject to punishment by her husband. As a punishment, beating a wife or abstaining from sexual relations with her is allowed. (Sura 4:34)


• Islam teaches that women are unclean. If a Muslim man touches a woman before praying, he is considered unclean for prayer. (Sura 4:43; 5:6)


• Islam considers the wife a sex object. (Sura 2:223)


• The wife after being divorce may not remarry her husband until she has married and been divorced by another man. This is called "al Mohalil" (the legalizer). (Sura 2:229-230).


• The Qur'an says that God will forgive a person who forces his girls into prostitution. (Sura 24:33)

** It's EXTREMLEY COMMON for christians to target women. I bet he doesn't realize what both testemants say about women. Lets ask the quran if women are oppressed: 2:127- "Oppression is worse than murder"
Islam honours and respects women and expects them to stand up and take responsiblity, rights and freedoms. Due to the well known fact most converts to islam are women, their desperate attempts are quite evident.
Islam has given women a HIGH status in life, EVEN above men. The Quran and hadith speak for me.
All right begining with the first point. When it says men have a degree above women, its referring to RESPONSIBILTY. George presents verse 4:34 later. Reading the first line, God has made it a man's life TO SERVE WOMEN. This is no condition it is a COMMAND.
Next we see George say women are considered posessions. Lets analyze the verses from 3:13-14

3:13] An example has been set for you by the two armies who clashed - one army was fighting in the cause of GOD, while the other was disbelieving. They saw with their own eyes that they were twice as many. GOD supports with His victory whomever He wills. This should provide an assurance for those who possess vision.


[3:14] Adorned for the people are the worldly pleasures, such as the women, having children, piles upon piles of gold and silver, trained horses, livestock, and crops. These are the materials of this world. A far better abode is reserved at GOD.

Well 3:13 wasn't that needed, but looking at 3:14 we see God speaking to those who LOVE THIS WORLD. And I dont see where this verse considers women a posession.

Ah yes the next point. Really I dont understand why christians get so worked up about this. They are so into this verse. Did you know 1500 women in the US die because of domestic abuse every year? And they believe islam allows domestic violence. Do you see again why we're always looking at the christian views of islam? The thing is, the Western Society we live in is very sensitive to family violence. Due to the fact many wives are battered by their husbands, rights orginizations have become so influenced that they object any physical motions towards women, whether it's in real life or on paper. They've also got support from the media and citizens like us. So hearing the allegations, opinions and thoughts that Muslim men can beat their wives is understandable, from their point of view. Though what Islam says about this and what Westerners intepret are completely different. You cannot compare the 2.

The Quran is not meant to be understood by reading one verse. It is a book which needs to be fully read to know what is happening and what's going on. The same goes for everything in life.

Islam has given Muslim women a voice, to be heard. It has given her freedom's, rights, and obligations. As a matter of fact, Muslim women have MORE freedom than Muslim men. Men have been put in charge in terms of protection, finances, shelter and so on. Women have not and they're still placed on a higher level. Throughout the Quran and the sayings of the Prophet (peace be upon him), we see women have to be treated kindly and equily. So if Islamic Scriptures give women all this, why is this included out of nowhere? Well lets think. First there is no reason for a Muslim woman to rebel (the definition of "rebel" is explained further on), if she already has more freedoms and a higher status in an Islamic Society than men. Second what do women possess that men do not? What do they have that can give severe consequences? Can you guess why women have been told to dress modestly? (which by the way just means wearing confortable clothing that isn't too tight, doesn't reveal any body parts and plainly loving for who you are not how you look. Only God judges)
Verse 4:34 has 3 steps for a man to take. They all are no joke, serious approaches for serious situations. So we can see these are for the RARE issues, directed towards the MINORITY of Muslim women. God is being clear how he wants his worshipping women to behave and be like.

Questions about this verse has been asked by Muslims before. If you go to Islamonline, Reading Islam or basically any scholarly source, they use the term "behaviour" in regards to women. It's because they expect you to already know what that means in this context, which is why they don't go heavily into detail and analyze from the begining to the end. But for this one time we'll do a full analysis to educate non-believers and Muslims.

And it should be noted, that after reading this section on "wife beating", that this verse applies more to UN-islamic societies. Unfortunataly many Muslim Nations are Christianized today (clothing wise, gambling, prostitution etc). It may also apply to Christian/Jewish wives since Islam allows Muslim men to marry CHASTE women of the book. Below, after I've done refuting this alleged claim, I'll explain about this and how it can't be used today and why this verse was put in the Quran. Anyways let's begin analyzing An-Nisa 4:34.

Have a stroll at night during downtown. Go to nightclubs, watch music videos. What's so common about the women in these?
Lets look at it line by line:

"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women,because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means...."

As I said before this is a COMMAND by God to protect and maintain women. This means men give women their FULL 12 basic (same as men) rights, they provde housing, food and medical care (in islam a man's wealth is to support his wife and family FIRST while a wife's wealth (however she gets it) is for herself ONLY). A wife should respect her husband for serving her (like a man or a woman who has servants would respect them working for him/her). In a relationship, it's known that men and women behave different. Women need love and men need respect. We see in verses and hadiths women get what they need. Next line:

"Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard....."

So again the line talks about women needing to respect her husband's efforts to serve and please her and keep her happy. Also it says the Muslim women are obedient (not in the case of listening to her husband. Ephesians 5:22, 5:24 don't exist in the Quran) to islam. Here we see the man's need which is, as I said above, respect. And since the husband is the "Man of the house", he need's to know eveything. Everything/everyone that enters or leaves the house has to be known by the husband, for various reasons (like security and again respect). He is the head of the household which means all decisions are by him, BUT the Quran clearly says men HAVE to discuss and take advice FROM THEIR WIVES before making those choices. This goes back towards the "men needing respect" thing.
Islam expects women to be righteous (like above in the verse), which means being mature and follow rules. Go look in a school classroom. Girl's are the ones who listen and don't misbehave. They abide by all rules. So why should they misbehave when they're older? When they're more vulnerable to rapes, assaults, harassments and so on? Women don't like any unwanted attention, especially by creepy men. It annoys and pisses them off. Am I right or wrong? It's common sense for her not to put herself in these types of situations.
Next line:

"As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct...."

Again as islam respects and honours women, it has no respect to women who dont respect themselves. Lets see the last part of 24:31-"They shall not strike their feet when they walk in order to shake and reveal certain details of their bodies."
The verse literally speaks for itself. Muslim women should not/cannot be sluts and whores (basically the haraam women). They should not/cannnot expose themselves everywhere-tv's, computers, boards, public places etc. These can have negative influences on young boys and especially girls (i.e they need the "perfect body", they need to show their beauty and not hide it, they need to lose weight to look good etc). Men do not like their women being like this (you don't even have to use religion to see this, it's a man's nature). This is one of the few soft spots in males (yes we guys have feelings too). So is this fair to a man, when he's told to serve women?

In islam, as it is the husband's duty to provide and protect for the family, it is a wife's duty to raise children (since children learn from, and are more attracted to their mother's and vice versa). The first role for women is motherhood. Obligations should always come before what we want.
Women in islam cannot go astray, as they hold important positions according to islamic values. The "naughty" and "bad" girls do not exist in islam. For example I was recently in Las Vegas. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. Girl's pole dancing in public, nude women portrayed on hotel buildings, the skimpy outfits. I was really concerned about my little sister who was being exposed to all of this. Every few minutes I had to distract her, every few moments I had to get infront of her to block off her view.
Another example, and we all know it, is when we rent a movie and have a family night with you know, kids. We can't keep our finger off the forward button just in case that one randmom girl appears.
The women who wear racy clothing, who hold party girl images have no place in Islam. And these women who want to be loved for their bodies are very insulting to other women. God gave women wonderful features and abusing the beauty given to them by their creator shows the weakness in the faith (unless your christian where the bible appaulingly speaks about a woman's body that were created for men, and should show it off (it literally does in the song of songs and song of solomon!). Continues to show which faith oppresses and degrades women doesn't it?).
A woman with her sexuality can get anything she wants. And again that goes back to abusing what God gave her. This is why Islam calls for women to dress modestly (ironically, nearly all schools and many work places in the world do too). Being modest seperates a muslim woman from a non-muslim one. Now I'm not nagging on every non-muslim girl, but you know... the ones who come out at night and the ones who want to be loved for their bodies.
Since women are a temptation and an urge for men, the more they cover the less they'll be targeted. The less problems they'll face. For example, a non-muslim guy can ask out a muslim girl. These types of situations are hard to get out of and can have negative consequences.
I continue to this day survey and ask women about what they think of those sluts, whores and women who want to be loved for their bodies. USUALLY they agree with me on how they shouldn't exist (you all yourself can try this).
They say what I say so we know why God put thise verse in the Quran.

Next line:

"admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they repent, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all)."

I'd like to note that it is well known, any type of physical and quick gesture towards a woman gives her a surpirsed and fearful feeling. It's just how a woman's body reacts.

So there's 3 steps:
1) Talk to them not to do it again
2) Dont share the bed with her
3) Hit (what the arabic word "daraba" is most understood as. Just a note the Quran can only better understood in arabic.
When translating any language to english, your not going to get the same meaning in the original language. You have to go through conjugations, you need to swap a few words around here and there to make sense.) or it can be translated as tap or even leave. Some translations have both. "Daraba" has a varety of meanings and is frequently found in te Quran, though none is related to any sort of physical gesture besides verse 4:34. And notice this is the LAST resort if the #1, or #2 steps dont work.
This verse doesn't mean its "domestic abuse", like many christians put it as. Muslim men can't raise an arm on their women unless the reason provided above (and really 99% of Muslim women do behave, act and dress appropriately). Plus it doesn't apply to just any women but "THOSE WOMEN on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct...."

The Quran says after any of the steps, if a woman realizes she's wrong, husbands have to forget the incident(s) that occured, not bring it up and annoy their wives about it. Furthermore the last few words "God is most high and above you all", because it's RIGHT AFTER and in the CONTEXT, it means God is great and high and men do not dominate women, because all glory and worship is owned by him and NOT to men (centuries of men being superior to women stopped when islam came. That there is no one higher above women and men but God alone).
The last words probably apply more so to men, for them not to take advantage or anything to far.
Even those strict Wahabbi cult Saudi's, who distort Islam quite a bit, say the "beating" cannot cause pain nor harm the wife. Sure some of their reasons are irrational and far fetched, but the hitting/beating cannot break anything, nor leave a mark. In addition to that, all tasfir and scholarly views see this as a simple little tap that is meant for emotional pain rather than physical. So we can easily see it's more of a symbolic tap. Like I said how a woman's body is not familiar with physical gestures/actions towards them, they usually will stop to not get that odd fearful feeling.

Quran 2:231, says men can't marry or keep women that hurts or harms the wives. If the women in ANY way are, a man's sinful (2:231-Do not retain them to harm them so that you transgress limits. He who does this has wronged himself).
Thq Quran clearly says husbands and wives are sources of comfort. Also the holy book mentions couples should live in peace and tranquility, and that men and women are garments for each other (30:21; 7:189 , and 2:187).
How did Muhammad (pbuh) treat his wives? With love and kindness. And we're all to follow him.
A man can't use any sort of physical gesture towards his wife in blind anger. A wife who fears from her husband has been automatically granted divorce- "If a wife fears cruelty or desertion on her husband's part, there is no blame on them if they arrange an amicable settlement between themselves; and such settlement is best; even though men's souls are swayed by greed. But if ye do good and practise self-restraint, God is well-acquainted with all that ye do. (Quran, 4:128)"
And lets not forget verse 4:19 where men have to be obedient to their wives and live with them in kindness and with honour. And speaking of this verse, let's look at it real quick: "O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may take away part of the dower ye have given them, except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good." Right here the verse tells men cannot be harsh to women unless they're expressing open lewdness which means exposing the body for attention, and whatever else I mentioned above. So it's obviously clear 4:34 refers to Muslim women acting like the already hell-bound girls.

Another verse has it that Abraham was commanded by God to listen to his wife and obey what she wanted (the exact verse escapes me).

Muhammed pbuh said:

Paradise lies at the feet of the mother.”

Narrated Abu Huraira:
A man came to Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) and asked,
“O Allah’s Apostle! Who is more entitled to be treated with the best companionship by me?”
The Prophet(PBUH) said, “Your mother
.” The man said. “Who is next?”
The Prophet(PBUH) said, “Your mother.
” The man further said, “Who is next?”
The Prophet(PBUH) said, “Your mother.
” The man asked for the fourth time,
“Who is next?” The Prophet(PBUH) said, “Your father. ”


Obedience to a mother is obedience to God.

“The most perfect believer in the matter of faith is one who has excellent behaviour; and the best among you are those who behave best towards their wives.”

This hadith above meaning men have to follow verse 4:19, to obey and be kind their wives.

Okay so Saieg didn't present this but Islam allows men to marry christian or jewish women, with restrictions and conditions of course. Nothing in Islam is free for men. You all should know that i have personally witnessed marriages between Muslim men and non-muslim women and you know what? They haven't worked out. Because Muslim men can't marry just any christian or jewish woman. If they don't qualify to Islamic standards then there's a gurantee it won't work.
Here is the verse:

[5:5] Today, all good food is made lawful for you. The food of the people of the scripture is lawful for you, [and your food is lawful for them]*. Also, you may marry the chaste women among the believers, as well as the chaste women among the followers of previous scripture, provided you pay them their due dowries. You shall maintain chastity, not committing adultery, nor taking secret lovers. Anyone who rejects faith, all his work will be in vain, and in the Hereafter he will be with the losers

The reason Islam allows men to marry Christian or Jewish women is the fact that 1)They have to be CHASTE (and what percentage of christian or jewish women do we find today that are virgins? No offence or disrespect to Christian or Jewish women who are chaste, or plan on being chaste until marriage). Being chaste means also not being immoral in any way. Bilal Philips, a renowned scholar and former Christian has said that many Muslim men in Asia where there countries are swamped with westernization (like Pakistan) get the idea of a Christian or Jewish woman are blond haired and blue eyed with the perfect body. That is AGAINST what Islam says. The sheikh also said these men go to bars and nightclubs to find these women. How disgusting? It should be noted that Christian scholars are outright fine with nightclubs and bars, even nude pageants (like Carrie Prejean who got praise from Christian groups for defending her nude pics with the Bible). These women are OFF LIMITA TO MUSLIM MALES. 2)The children of the interfaith couple will have to grow up Muslim so the wife has no choice but to convert (since her knoweledge will rub off onto her kids as they grow). 4)Islam tells to tolerate and repect Christian and Jewish faiths. 5) Theres many Christian women specifically, that are living in dangerous area's of the world. For example the Democratic Republic of Congo has the highest rape rate in the world. In Uganda and Kenya, women are burned for being 'witches'. The LRA, a Christian terror group often target women and kidnap them. Marrying these women saves them from oppression, and we all know what Islam says about helping those who are oppressed (4:15, 5:8, 16:90, 4:58, 4:105, 6:115, 6:152 57:25). This could also be said for Christian women in Pakistan and India where they're frequently assaulted from so called 'Muslims' and 'Hindu's'. 6) Fiqh Law has stated that marrying Christian and Jewish women from the West is not Islamic (reasons are above).

Mufti Ikram in response to my question wrote that is it PERMISSIBLE, not mandatory or recommended to marry Christian or Jewish women: http://www.askamufti.com/Answers/ViewQuestion.aspx?QuestionId=1201&CategoryId=23&CategoryName=Nikah

The reason women can't marry non-muslim men is quite understandable and simple. 1) I'm a guy and you don't want to know what their definition of hygiene is. Islam tells us all about cleanliness. Women in general are more thoughtful about sanitation than men (though their standards don't meet up to the Muslim females).
2)In the Christian and Jewish scriptures, women are told to remain at home and have no authority over men. Plus they have to "submit" to their husbands commands and call them Lord (ephesians 5:22-24, 1 Peter 3:6 and several other verses). Women are told to serve their husbands while in Islam it is the opposite.
3)In christianity, women are not allowed to divorce and are stuck with their husbands for life. If the husband dies she is suppose to marry anyone of his brothers. This isn't true in Islam.
4)Women in Christianity and Judaism are exempt from inheritance (if brother's exist), and all decision making. Which again is contradictory to the Quran.
5)Since jewish and christian scriptures place men as the master's of their houses, the children will grow up with his religion and his commands of how to be raised. A wife cannot object to his wishes, which yet again contradicts Islam.

So their you have it. The Quran does say the true path is clear from the wrong one. You choose which is right.

Next point Saieg says women are unclean. Sadly this liar fails to realise that this is referring to women who are going through menses. Aisha in hadiths showed amazement that the Prophet (pbuh) had such control. He often kissed her when she went through her menses. She even challenged other people, saying if they had control like him.
Read here for further info on hadiths:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/women_menses.htm

A woman who's going through menstruation does not have to pray, nor read the Quran. And she doesn't have to make up for it either when she's done.
Read here (like before there's more questions and answers related to this):
http://www.readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE&cid=1196786124610

Next George says islam considers womne as sex objects.
Okay well i dont know how covering yourself for modesty, to be liked for WHO you are is considered to being sex objects while christian women, who are literally famous for wearing their western clothes (dont forget christianity shaped the west), who get praised by christian leaders for defending this type of clothing (see our articles on the model Carrie Prejean).
The verse talks about how to have sex. Islam is very open about this.
Christians need to look at the history of the verse, where/why they were revealed and the hadiths behind it. It was revealed when a Jewish Man said a man can approach his wife anyway he wants to during sex. Here is the verse:

[2:223] Your women are the bearers of your seed. Thus, you may enjoy this privilege however you like, so long as you maintain righteousness. You shall observe GOD, and know that you will meet Him. Give good news to the believers.

This is a metaphor used by God. Some other translations use the word "tilth". Here is a definition for it: "the state of aggregation of soil and its condition for supporting plant growth"

"Tilth" means the same thing as "the bearers of your seed" like above. This verse tells us sex is can be done however the 2 partners wish, but the penis has to enter the vagina as that is where the "cultivation" happens.

Now for his last point, he talks about divorce.
Firstly, it should be known God HATES divorce and it should be the LAST approach of marriages dont wotk out. Marriage, as the Quran states, is supposed to be peaceful, delightful and tranquil to both spouses. Thats how muslim couples SHOULD live.
Divorce, islamically is not a game or joke. It has proper rules and regulations (if divorce occurs). Did you know the bible outright forbids women to divorce their husbands or else they become adulteress's?
Some links on divorce:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/munir_munshey/marriage_and_divorce.htm

Anyways lets look at the veres George presented:

[2:229] Divorce may be retracted twice. The divorced woman shall be allowed to live in the same home amicably, or leave it amicably. It is not lawful for the husband to take back anything he had given her. However, the couple may fear that they may transgress GOD's law. If there is fear that they may transgress GOD's law, they commit no error if the wife willingly gives back whatever she chooses. These are GOD's laws; do not transgress them. Those who transgress GOD's laws are the unjust.

[2:230] If he divorces her (for the third time), it is unlawful for him to remarry her, unless she marries another man, then he divorces her. The first husband can then remarry her, so long as they observe GOD's laws. These are GOD's laws; He explains them for people who know.

So what George failed to present was that its the THIRD time. If the original couple want to get back together, the wife and her new husband need to divorce her. But again, you cant divorce like a game. This will be a joke in the muslim community. And it is quite unislamic.

And finally the last retarded lie George coughs up is him saying God will forgive a person who forces his "SLAVES" or "SERVANTS" into prostitution. We can see Saieg using Phillipians 1:18. Its the OTHER way around-servants or POW who get forced into being raped are FORGIVEN for THEIR sins they committed.**

-Some help by WomenForTruth101

Islam teaches that any individual, who accepts Islam and later leaves it, will be subject to death. (Sura 9:12; 4:89)


**Here is 4:89

[4:89] They wish that you disbelieve as they have disbelieved, then you become equal. Do not consider them friends, unless they mobilize along with you in the cause of GOD. If they turn against you, you shall fight them, and you may kill them when you encounter them in war. You shall not accept them as friends, or allies.

Well as we look, where does it talk about apostasy?

Dr. Muzammil H. Siddiqi, former President of ISNA:

“Now tell me honestly, do these verses give a free permission to kill any one anywhere? These verses were revealed by God to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him), at the time when Muslims were attacked by the non-Muslims of Makkah on a regular basis. They were frightening the Muslim community of Madinah. One may say using the contemporary jargon that there were constant terrorist attacks on Madinah and in this situation Muslims were given permission to fight back the “terrorist”. These verses are not a permission for “terrorism” but they are a warning against the “terrorists.” But even in these warnings you can see how much restraint and care is emphasized.”

Here is verse 9:12 and 9:13

[9:12] If they violate their oaths after pledging to keep their covenants, and attack your religion, you may fight the leaders of paganism - you are no longer bound by your covenant with them - that they may refrain.

[9:13] Would you not fight people who violated their treaties, tried to banish the messenger, and they are the ones who started the war in the first place? Are you afraid of them? GOD is the One you are supposed to fear, if you are believers.

AGAIN is apostasy mentioned ANYWHERE here?
Actually is death for apostates ANYWHERE in the Quran? Is there any RELIABLE hadith either?
Please dont be surprised at the level christians think at.**

But, JESUS THE MESSIAH SAID "....the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God a service." (John 16:2)



· "Beware of false prophets..." (Matthew 7:15) "...many false prophets will rise up and deceive many." (Matthew 24:11)



· "The thief cometh not, but that he may steal, and kill, and destroy: I (Jesus) came that they may have life, and may have it abundantly." (John 10:10)

**The first verse doesn't mean anything. False prophets have ALWAYS existed and ALWAYS were there sources of guidence sent to help people to the Lord. Also no where in the New Testement does it completely confirm, that Jesus is the LAST prophet or man of truth. The torah, which came thousands of years before the NT says the same about false prophets.
Muhammed pbuh fits into every single category (not just saying that) of what a God's prophet should be like. Also the Quran which embarasses the bible on so many levels is a miracle with many prophecies and miracles in it, unlike the bible which only contains metaphors and similies. You choose**



· There are around 1.2 Billion Muslims in the world.
Only 25% of Muslims are Arabs. The largest number of Muslims are Indonesians.



· There are around 6 million Muslims in the United States .


There are over 2,000 Islamic centers in the United States .



· In California alone, there are around 240 Islamic centers and 20% of all Muslims in the US . Around 20% of the Muslims in America are African-American.

My desire is to see the body of Christ ready and equipped to reach the Muslims. Please don't see the Muslims as enemies! They are victims of Islam. Many Islamic countries and family pressures prevent Muslims from choosing Christ.

**WE THE VICTIMS? LOOK AT THE STATS FROM YOUR CHRISTIAN COUNTRY.
And it is true SOME islamic countries and SOME family are very unfamilliar with apostasy. But I dont get why George is trying to lead us to a faith in which its quite clear we're hell bound (once again refer to the stats)**

· Please remember Muslims are people for whom Jesus Christ died. (John 3:16) Among the Muslims, there are some of His sheep. (John 10:16)

**What a wierd ideology. Jesus in Paul's faith died for sins, but at the same time non-christians are going to hell? Does it make sense?**

· Pray and ask the Holy Sprit to lead you and give you the ability to forgive and love the Muslims, looking at them as victims of Islam, lost without salvation or sinners loved by God (Romans 3:23) (John 3:16). They are not enemies.



· Study and be prepared to answer their questions, to share the love of Christ and to challenge their faith if needed. (1Peter 3:15)

**Yeah the holy spirit (read all of the christian activity inspired and controlled by the spirit on here)**

· Seek opportunities, build friendships and be patient; don't expect to see quick results. Most Muslims come to Christ in 2 to 8 years. Don't be disappointed. You don't know if God already has been working in his or her life through other believers, situations or dreams.

**Due to the grace of Allah, we muslims barely ever fall into the christian tactics. Like their made up statistics.
That "freedom" feeling is Satan christians always brag about. Not any saviour**.

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