Wednesday, November 25, 2009

David Wood's most screwed up myth yet

Has to be david's most laughable remark.
Yet again, he barks.
And his christians followers agree with him (don't forget what the christian ideology is).
Really, when top notch christian scholars come up with psychotic myths, this continues to tell me christianity is a false filth (sorry faith).

So this time David brought up pictures of women, who had acid thrown on their faces. David thinks since the hijab/burka protects women, the hijab/burka failed to do so. It failed to save these women. A piece of clothing did not protect women from acid.

Are you all still laughing?

You can find it all right here, including the moronic comments by christians:

Do I really need to refute anything? Unfortunately yes. The christian mind isn't very sharp when it comes to basic thinking.

Covering yourself protects modesty. It shows you want to be known and liked for who you are. And it takes the attention and attraction of men away. These same men are the ones raping women in dark alley's as we speak in the beautiful christian nation U.S.
Since islam calls for women to cover up, to not be molested, instulted and especially in danger in any way, God knows how to protect it's male counter parts.
And David was smart enough to put reasons of why these women got acids in their faces. Can you connect Islam with it? Apparently christian can.
But if we look at christianity, its form of modesty is bikini's, and racy outfits. Since christian women are always wearing them in public, and no christian has EVER spoken out on this, and since christian leader's are LITERALLY PRAISING these "brave" and "courageous" women (i.e carrie prejean and pageants), and lets not forget the holy sprirt, christianity is the TRUE depresser of women. Would any true God allow this? I don't think so.

Tuesday, November 24, 2009

Brace yourselves

Yeah a new decleration for a "christian" Manhattan is under way.
I'd suggest the muslims in the region to bolt quick.
We were right all along weren't we?
Wont be long before we'll be submitting to their way of life (not like we dont do it anyway)

Monday, November 23, 2009

Christian attacks Muslim woman

Oh no there's no such thing as islamphobia.

Amal Abusumayah, 28, told police she was shopping at a Tinley Park grocery store Nov. 7 when a middle-age woman passed her in the aisle and made a loud reference to the killings at Fort Hood.

"She said, 'The man that did that shooting in Texas was from the Middle East,' in a really loud and angry voice," Abusumayah told the Tribune last week. Minutes later, while Abusumayah was paying for her groceries at a self-checkout, the woman approached her from behind and tugged hard on her blue and beige head scarf, she said.

"I turned around and looked at her, and she walked out of the store," she said. "My scarf didn't come off because it was on very tight, but my head was tugged back.",0,7710648.story

Priest beaten......mistaken for being a muslim

Occurred in Tampa when a Greek Priest, who can barely even speak english was brutalized by a tire iron from a Marine officer.

Jasen Bruce, 28, enlisted as a reserve Marine as a teenager, was discharged honorably when he finished his contract, and enlisted again this March. He has never been deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, a Marine Corps spokesman said. He got married last month in full dress uniform.

"Father Alexios was taken to hospital and there a translator helped to unravel his story for police. When police went to Bruce's apartment, he was already lawyered up and would not speak to them. The priest was treated and released from Tampa General Hospital. Alleged assailant Bruce was arrested on the evening of November 9 and released from the Hillsborough County jail at 8 AM on November 10 on a $7500 bond."

Sunday, November 22, 2009

What they say about us

This is by a knowelegable guy on facebook. His group can be found here:

Dear members of Islam Against Radicalism :

Some of you might've had confrontations & discussions with Islam haters & anti-islamists before , you certainly noticed their low ways of discussion & mockery of Islam , God & prophet Mohammed PBUH ( or prophets as well if they are atheists ) , surprisingly , the Quran described people like these 1400 years ago ! which proves that some minds never change : ) check out this translation of the holy verses talking about it :


- 40:35 : (35. "(Such) as dispute about the Signs of Allah, without any authority that hath reached them, grievous and odious (is such conduct) in the sight of Allah and of the Believers. Thus doth Allah, seal up every heart - of arrogant and obstinate Transgressors. )

- 40:56 (56. Those who dispute about the signs of Allah without any authority bestowed on them,- there is nothing in their breasts but (the quest of) greatness, which they shall never attain to: seek refuge, then, in Allah. It is He Who hears and sees (all things). )

- 30:20 (20. Do ye not see that Allah has subjected to your (use) all things in the heavens and on earth, and has made his bounties flow to you in exceeding measure, (both) seen and unseen? Yet there are among men those who dispute about Allah, without knowledge and without guidance, and without a Book to enlighten them! )

- 13:13 (13. Nay, thunder repeateth His praises, and so do the angels, with awe: He flingeth the loud-voiced thunder-bolts, and therewith He striketh whomsoever He will..yet these (are the men) who (dare to) dispute about Allah, with the strength of His power (supreme) )

- 40:4 (4. None can dispute about the Signs of Allah but the Unbelievers. Let not, then, their strutting about through the land deceive thee! )

- 18:56 (56. We only send the apostles to give Glad Tidings and to give warnings: But the unbelievers dispute with vain argument, in order therewith to weaken the truth, and they treat My Signs as a jest, as also the fact that they are warned! )


- 2:212 (212. The life of this world is alluring to those who reject faith, and they scoff at those who believe. But the righteous will be above them on the Day of Resurrection; for Allah bestows His abundance without measure on whom He will. )

- 36:30 (30. Ah! Alas for (My) Servants! There comes not an apostle to them but they mock him! )

- 83:29-33 (29. Those in sin used to laugh at those who believed,

30. And whenever they passed by them, used to wink at each other (in mockery);

31. And when they returned to their own people, they would return jesting;

32. And whenever they saw them, they would say, "Behold! These are the people truly astray!"

33. But they had not been sent as keepers over them!

34. But on this Day the Believers will laugh at the Unbelievers:

35. On Thrones (of Dignity) they will command (a sight) (of all things).

36. Will not the Unbelievers have been paid back for what they did? )

- 15:10-11 (10. We did send apostles before thee amongst the religious sects of old:

11. But never came an apostle to them but they mocked him. )


- 4:140 ( 140. Already has He sent you Word in the Book, that when ye hear the signs of Allah held in defiance and ridicule, ye are not to sit with them unless they turn to a different theme: if ye did, ye would be like them. For Allah will collect the hypocrites and those who defy faith - all in Hell )

- 33:57-58 ( 57. Those who annoy Allah and His Messenger - Allah has cursed them in this World and in the Hereafter, and has prepared for them a humiliating Punishment.

58. And those who annoy believing men and women undeservedly, bear (on themselves) a calumny and a glaring sin. )

1- Replying to those who deny the existence of God :

(45-24. And they say: "What is there but our life in this world? We shall die and we live, and nothing but time can destroy us." But of that they have no knowledge: they merely conjecture )

2- Replying to those who say Islam is compulsing others to believe :

( 2:256 Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. )

3- Replying to those who ask why didn't all ppl become muslims if Islam is the true religion :

( 10-99. If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe! , 100. No soul can believe, except by the will of Allah, and He will place doubt (or obscurity) on those who will not understand. )

4- To those who say that they knew the '' true '' nature of Islam as a religion of violence , & that they were to intelligent to be '' brainwashed '' by muslims :

( 2- 88. They say, "Our hearts are the wrappings (which preserve Allah.s Word: we need no more)." Nay, Allah.s curse is on them for their blasphemy: Little is it they believe. )

5- To those who insult the prophet Mohammed PBUH , & call him crazy , sorcerer..etc :

( 51- 52. Similarly, no apostle came to the Peoples before them, but they said (of him) in like manner, "A sorcerer, or one possessed"!

53. Is this the legacy they have transmitted, one to another? Nay, they are themselves a people transgressing beyond bounds! (

6- To those who say that Satan is the real God ( Satanists ) :

( 59-16 like the Evil One ( Satan ), when he says to man, "Deny Allah.: but when (man) denies Allah, (the Evil One) says, "I am free of thee: I do fear Allah, the Lord of the Worlds! )

7- To those who claim that God has no power & that he is weak :

( 5-64 64. The Jews say: "(Allah)'s hand is tied up." Be their hands tied up and be they accursed for the (blasphemy) they utter. Nay, both His hands are widely outstretched: He giveth and spendeth (of His bounty) as He pleaseth. But the revelation that cometh to thee from Allah increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. )

8- To those who say that the Prophet PBUH '' invented '' the Quran :

-- ( 69 - 44. And if the apostle were to invent any sayings in Our name,

45. We should certainly seize him by his right hand,

46. And We should certainly then cut off the artery of his heart:

47. Nor could any of you withhold him (from Our wrath). )

9- To those who say that the Prophet PBUH done nothing but writing the legends of the ancients to '' invent '' the Quran :

( 25- 5. And they say: "Tales of the ancients, which he has caused to be written: and they are dictated before him morning and evening."

6. Say: "The (Qur'an) was sent down by Him who knows the mystery (that is) in the heavens and the earth: verily He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful )

10 - To those who make up false stories and articles about Islam:

“O you who believe, if a wicked evildoer comes to you with a news report, look carefully into it to verify the truth, lest you harm a people in ignorance and afterwards feel remorseful for what you have done.”
(Quran, 49:60

11 - To those who mock those who believe in God :

(83- 29. Those in sin used to laugh at those who believed,

30. And whenever they passed by them, used to wink at each other (in mockery);

31. And when they returned to their own people, they would return jesting;

32. And whenever they saw them, they would say, "Behold! These are the people truly astray!"

33. But they had not been sent as keepers over them!

34. But on this Day the Believers will laugh at the Unbelievers:

35. On Thrones (of Dignity) they will command (a sight) (of all things).

36. Will not the Unbelievers have been paid back for what they did? )

11- To those who claim that we have no choice in Islam , & that God is controlling us like we are puppets :

( 90 - 7. Thinketh he that none beholdeth him?

8. Have We not made for him a pair of eyes?-

9. And a tongue, and a pair of lips?-

10. And shown him the two highways ( the path of Good & the Path of Evil ) ? )

Thursday, November 19, 2009

Pastor uses church funds for plastic surgery

NEW YORK (AP) - A pastor accused of using church funds to pay for plastic surgery has been ordered to serve five years probation.

The Rev. William Blasingame also must pay back $84,537 to St. Paul's Memorial Episcopal Church on Staten Island.

Prosecutors said he paid for personal luxuries, including tens of thousands of dollars worth of plastic surgery and Botox treatments, with money earmarked for the needy and the upkeep of church grounds.

Defense attorney James Hasson said Wednesday that Blasingame plans to sell land he owns in Georgia to cover the restitution.

Blasingame pleaded guilty to felony grand larceny in September. He could have faced 15 years in prison if convicted at trial.

Wednesday, November 18, 2009

Gaddafi's "victims" embrace Islam

Allah Akbar. Yet another long listed series of books about christians ditching Paul.
In case you haven't heard, the Libyan leader Colonal Gaddafi had called a modeling agency for an event to be led by him during his stay in Italy for the Food Summit.
He asked the officials to write up an ad, in which 200+ models mistaked for a photoshoot and other model-like careers.
Gaddafi then preached how islam respects and honours women and gave each woman a free Quran.
We know many of the models were christian, since the Colonel's statement on how Jesus wasn't crucified shocked many women.

So, since many christian sites (like jihadwatch) and comments on articles on this, (shocker) christians whined how some of the model's chose to dawn a hijab or burka.


Colonel Muammar Gaddafi's appeal to hundreds of glamorous Italian hostesses to renounce Catholicism and convert to Islam has fallen on fertile ground after some of his guests agreed to consider becoming Muslims.

Of the 400 young women who were asked to two events hosted by the Libyan leader in Rome this week, a few said they were interested in travelling to Tripoli or even Mecca to consider becoming Muslims.

"The meeting with Muammar Gaddafi has changed me," said one of the women, Alda Ribeiro, 27.

"Islam used to frighten me, now it fascinates me. I don't know how my mum will take it – her name's Maria de Lourdes, so you get the idea that she is a staunch Catholic," she told the newspaper Corriere della Sera.

"For me, Islam was always associated with the concept of the submission of women. The other evening there was fear among the girls that we would all end up in a harem," added Miss Ribeiro, whose family is originally from the former Portuguese colony of Sao Tome and Principe, off the coast of West Africa.

Col Gaddafi was in Rome for the UN World Food Summit but devoted much of his attention to two soirees on Sunday and Monday at which he subjected the women to a lecture on Islam, the failings of Christianity and his view that sexism is rampant in the West.

The girls were recruited from a Rome agency, Hostessweb, which provides attractive women for corporate functions.

They are known in Italy as hostesses and the word carries no sexual connotation and they are not escorts.

The agency stipulated that they must be at least 5ft 7in tall, between 18 and 35 years old and soberly dressed. Each girl was paid 50 euros (£44) as a "tip" for attending the events.

A graduate who speaks five languages, including Portuguese and Italian, Miss Ribeiro said that since receiving a free Koran after the meeting at the Libyan ambassador's residence in Rome she had been studying its teachings.

"Would I convert? I certainly think that the Catholic Church today is too caught up in itself. I only go to mass when my grandmother comes to Rome.

"I asked Gaddafi what he thought of the role of women and he replied that he had always been a supporter of women's rights. I hadn't expected that.

"That's why I decided to accept his invitation. I'm going to go to Libya. I want to understand, to see with my own eyes. Then I will decide."

Monday, November 16, 2009

Carrie Prejean: God approves breast implants

Carrie Prejean is buzzing the celebrity world these days. The former Miss California who is in the news for her solo sex tape said that Christianity that Holy Bible makes no judgment about boob jobs. In a recent interview with Christianity Today she said that "I don't think there's anything wrong with getting breast implants as a Christian. I think it's a personal decision. I don't see anywhere in the Bible where it says you shouldn't get breast implants."

Okay so we know very clearly that she is a die-hard bible reader, and again she supports her christian activity WITH the bible.
Again many christian leaders have literally PRAISED Carrie for being a role model to young women. Yeah I agree. How else could the young-future slut-girls be strict christians when they dont have a leader like Ms Prejean?

Sunday, November 15, 2009

David Wood's attempts

For those who do not know who Davd is, he runs the site He is a former atheist turned missionary who presents some real good arguments. While we respect a portion of his knoweledge theres some false info he gives on purpose (he's a missionary) which of couse David and his partner Nabeel will deny and so will his christian buddies on his site (we can clearly see David is a big fan of Philippians 1:18).
It's been written on here before how Answeringmuslims tries it's very best to mimic the ever-so popular Jihadwatch. Using his self-assured sholorly info, he'll copy and paste hadiths/verses to prove his point. It is very clear that his tactics cause their gullible christian followers more christianwashed.
Neither Amy nor I visit his site that often, but of the times we do, some "info" goes unoticed. There could be alot more but here's what we'd like to discuss:

1)Extremism Activity
2)Honour killings

David and Nabeel and their folloers do a GREAT job of pretending taliban and al queda actions are greatly santioned in islamic scriptures. They'll ALWAYS claim they only follow Muhammed pbuh. They literally think islam allows the killing of christians and jews and point to the J word. Furthermore they'll say taliban and al queda are the PERFECT examples of islam.
The major blow to christians was that 99% of ALL TERROR (Jihad) attacks are TARGETED towards MUSLIMS. And the extremsts are a MINORITY. To go along with the fact that a MAJORITY of these terrorists come/train from the tribal area's of poor, underdeveloped, third world countries where there is no food, money, sheltering and most sadly, NO EDUCATION. Not to mention culrural values that overshadow religous ones. Poverty causes violence (Christian Science Monitor.

We obviously cant understand how islamic sciptures call for the death of our own fellow muslims. Lets look at Amy and David's comments from the Al Queda massacre video-that David posted.


Simon wrote:

"i am really hurt for the muslim people who eyes r closed cause of the horrific teachings of quran. this video represently the muslim and wut they r. this video makes me sad and cry at the same time."

Yeah how wonderful is that verse in the quran telling for muslims to murder other muslims who want to become police officers.
Once again despite the fact muslim scholors have continously condemned all extremist actions 99% of whom muslims are killed), christians apparently wont understand that.



You seem to have missed the point. Al Qaeda was killing these men for attempting to become police officers working for a regime that replaced Saddam's regime. Al Qaeda views these Muslims as befriending non-Muslims over Muslims. Now what, may I ask (though I already know), did Muhammad say about Muslims who join the enemy?

Ali: *This is actually Amy writing this. There was a mix up*

David you wrote AL-QUEDA VIEWS the current government as the enemy. But next it's as if your saying al-queda are true muslims. I, and i'm sure other muslims, don't agree with that.
Begining with Saddam Hussien, he built statues of himself. I'm guessing from your reasearch you know what a crime that is.

Is quite obvious back then when muslims continued to get attacked(like today in the mid-east), joining the enemy was disgraceful.
Lets look at a well known hadith

“O God, to You I complain of my weakness, lack of resources and humiliation before these people. You are the Most Merciful, the Lord of the weak and my Master. To whom will You consign me? To one estranged, bearing ill will, or an enemy given power over me? If You do not assign me any worth, I care not, for Your favor is abundant upon me. I seek refuge in the light of Your countenance by which all darkness is dispelled and every affair of this world and the next is set right, lest Thy anger should descend upon me or Your displeasure light upon me. I need only Your pleasure and satisfaction for only You enable me to do good and evade the evil. There is no power and no might but You.”
The Lord then sent the angel of mountains, seeking the permission of the Prophet to join together the two hills and crush the city of Taif, between which it was located. Out of his great tolerance and mercy, the Messenger of God replied,
“No! For, I hope that God will bring forth from their loins people who will worship God alone, associating nothing with Him.”
(Sahih Muslim)

Anyways what I wrote was about Al-queda not being muslim in a response to Simon.


Ali, (**supposed to be Amy not me**)

Let me ask a few questions before I respond to the rest of your comment. Which of the five pillars of Islam does Al Qaeda refuse to practice? Do they not recite the Shahadah? Do they refuse to pray five times per day? Do they avoid paying Zakat? Do they avoid fasting? Do they never take the Hajj?

And which of the six articles of faith do they reject?


Sorry David that was me who wrote that. I and a few others are using the same computer as Ali because we have a presentation at a mosque tomorrow.

Anyways David, I hope you realize religious fanatics exist in every faith and use religion to justify actions.

I can swear there is no God but Allah and Muhammed pbuh is his messanger. I may pray 5 times daily, I might fast during ramadan, I might give to charity and preform hajj if i can. Or i can do any, if not all, just for the sake of it. But at the same time I can go out on dates, go to party's with friends and drink, i can wear mini skirts and anything revealing or i can lose my virginity. You'll be surprised how many muslims do what i wrote. And I think killing innocent muslims can fit in quite nicely cant it?
More over, may i have such hadiths, quran verses about where Muhammed pbuh/God commanded the killing of other muslims?

Read this artcle-



Good question. Muhammad commanded his followers to follow the path of the rightly-guided caliphs. When Muslims started refusing to pay the Zakat after Muhammad died, Abu Bakr declared war on them. Umar objected that these Muslims hadn't (1) committed adultery, (2) murdered anyone, or (3) apostatized. Yet Abu Bakr ruled that, in refusing to pay Zakat to the caliphs, the Muslims became apostates.

So the rule we find here is that if someone does something to violate the teachings of Muhammad, he may be treated as an apostate (which, as you know, requires the death penalty). Further, as you know, any Muslim who befriends non-believers is classified as a non-believer.

Given such teachings, it's not difficult to see how Al Qaeda can justify their atrocities.



If "WomenforLie666" is a reference to WomanforTruth, I think it's uncalled for. We know that what she is saying is wrong and contradicts Muhammad's teachings, but she's behaving well, and I don't see any reason for name-calling.



Sorry I've been away from the computer lately.
Paying Zakat is one of the 5 pillars that make up a muslim (again, doesn't necessarily mean they follow Islam). Zakat is for the poor which all muslims must pay. It takes greed away and ensures 2.5% goes for people who need shelter, water and food.
Not paying it means you become an unbeliever. But when intentionally not paying and denying zakat means you are Murtad. Abu Kabr was not fighting muslims. Also they revolted against him by tryin to establish mini states and created their own prophets like Musailmah Kazzab, Najah (the female prophetess), Aswad Ansi and so on.
They claimed they were the new prophets after Muhammed (peace be upon him) too.

There is no relation between this and extremists either.

Oh and Mr. Wood, where do any of my comments contradict islam?

Okay so we can see David PURPOSLEY is playing around with events. He chose not to respond to Amy.
Also David thought Amy's comments contradicted islam. David chose not to respond to Amy

If you thought that was hilarious see his remarks about honour killings!!

Yeah christians love bringing up any action or practice that is no where to be found in our scriptures. But honour killings exist in Mathew 15:4 where Jesus commanded rebelious children to be killed.

Here's what David said on the topic:

"Anyone who can’t find support for honor killings in Muslim sources, even though honor killings are widely practiced among Muslims, is either ignorant of the Qur’an and Sunnah, or he/she believes it is appropriate to willfully deceive others about the same."

Sigh.. we here quite often here in the christian nation USA husbands killing their offspring or wives or sisters. Often goes quit in the christian media.
Honour killings are a cultural practice (unlike in Christianity). Like how drinking is very cultural (many muslim countries serve alcohol because its the culture).

To begin we're going to paste comments from an article about a muslim father running his car over his daughter because she was too "westernized". Here is my comment:


I've posted about honour killings befor on here.
There is quite a smart man on facebook who deals with all types of issues. i asked him about the storey of moses killing that boy because of his dark future:

robert Spencer gives the same, lame excuses for honour killings.
here's a link that takes care of that:

But as before, there is no such thing as honor killings. Mathew 15:4 doesn't exist in the Quran.


I've read several articles that mention her american boyfriend.
But one article that sruck me was the boyfriend's mother's name. It was an arabic one which means the boyfriend was most likely a muslim (sorry to burst your bubbles).
This gets started on my point.

The word westernized can be interpreted in different ways in the muslim community. For example arranged marriage is more so of a mid east culture thing while in the west we mostly meet greet then marry. To some like the father of the girl this can mean "too westernized."
Some background on arranged marriage, one of the main purposes was for power. Like Kings and Queens would marry off their offsprings to other royal families to gain strength and form relations. Similarily tribes in Israel, Arabia, India and throughout would do the same.

Of course that isn't the case today but it's a tradition. Like i've said before Mid Easterns are very strict and attatched to their cultures (another example is alcohol in Turkey and in Pakistan-which is usually found in the tribal region's).

From some of the pictures I've seen about the beautiful girl, her clothing seems to be all right. Islam calls for modesty (oddly, all public schools and major work places call for it as well). Choosing a different line of fashion from traditional clothing may seem as well "too westernized" to some.

Now add this all up and what happens?

Just a note i'd like to point out, i do not think the boy was the girl's boyfriend, maybe just a friend. The west media, like other times labels any relationship between a boy and girl, no matter what type it is, as automatically boyfriend/girlfriend. These do not exist in our faith.


Dear Minoria,

I have no problem with Lev 19. But that verse and your statements dont really explain Mat 15:4.

I've asked on yahooanswers (my premier source for religious questions) about this and all I got was it's talking about a spiritual death. I dont see that.
So is this a contradiction then?

Minoria killing muslims goes back to the discussion that Amy and I talked about. Taliban and Al-Queda have no issues with murdering. If you look at the stats of their Jihad, the 14000 terror attacks, 99% of the targets and victims are muslim. I wonder how many times David and Nabeel who constantly point to the extremists, have pointed that out.

Minoria we can't burn any religious books. Have a look at the answer to this question:

There's a few christians on facebook who think its funny to put the Quran on toilet paper. This person asked if we can do the same to the bible.

And by the way what do you mean the values MOST muslims are taught??
As for burning a Quran, search up those videos of muslims who are tired or the iranian government that are actually burning Quran's.
Quite shameful and shocking.
We muslims, because we are the most practicing followers of any faith, we take it very seriously. Which is why whenever someone speaks out against islam theres all those riots and that. Since christians dont practice much you dont really see any type of extreme activty.

Minoria please not that more than 95% of honour killings are done because the woman/girl went against arranged marriage.

Here a member named minoria had a little discussion with us. He/she made us go off a little on the topic.
That was about it for that section of comments. Allegations against us and all other comments on this can be read here:

Okay the next blog David created is the most hilarious of them all that can be found here:

The discussion is still going but i think it's gonna end soon since david isn't presenting any truth at all. Anyways david came up with this hadith:

Sunan Ibn Majah 2540—It was narrated from Ubadah bin Samit that the Messenger of Allah said: “Carry out the legal punishments on relatives and strangers, and do not let the fear of blame stop you from carrying out the command of Allah.”

HAS ANYONE EVER HEARD OF THIS HADITH ON ANY ANTI-ISLAM SITE? I searched it up but only got one miraculous link-answeringmuslims.
No faithfreedom or any of its affiliates, no jihadwatch, no answeringmuslims, no truthnet, no islamreview, no investigate islam. Nothing. It doesn't really mean honour killings by the way. But anyways here's the comments of David and I:


//Sunan Ibn Majah 2540—It was narrated from Ubadah bin Samit that the Messenger of Allah said: “Carry out the legal punishments on relatives and strangers, and do not let the fear of blame stop you from carrying out the command of Allah.”//

You know when i searched this up i only got 2 sites: This one and another christian one.
What are the chances of this hadith being reliable? (hint: theres over 5000+)
David did you copy this hadith from that other christian site? Looks like it.


Ali said: "David did you copy this hadith from that other christian site? Looks like it."

I copied it from the Darussalam edition of Sunan Ibn Majah sitting on my bookshelf.


David I'm asking for the RELIABILITY. Again upon searching this hadith i only found 2 sites, BOTH christian ones.

**One day later**


David I'm still waiting for you to explain the reliability of the hadith. (again here's a hint theres over 5000 of them).

I have never heard of this hadith and again when i searched it up i only got this site and another christian one.
Wouldn't you think your friends at answering-islam, faithfreedom or jihadwatch would've presented this awhile ago?



Do your own research. I gave you a Hadith from Sunan Ibn Majah, one of Islam's most trusted collections of ahadith. If you don't believe the Hadith, then explain why. (NOTE: "But it's only mentioned a couple of times in Google" doesn't count. This translation of Ibn Majah came out only recently.)


Uh huh so when you apparently do the research for islam pretty much all the time, and i bet you've never asked any other muslm on here to do "research", all of a sudden because you cant explain to me the reliability of the hadith you presented, you want me to do research even though my previous comments have proved i've done so? Why are you saying this to me now just all of a sudden?
Recently translated? And some how you're the only one who has it sitting on his shelf? I'm not uunderstanding this. Maybe you can explain this as well.



I'm not sure what you want from me, but you're getting annoying. You're obviously disturbed by the fact that Muhammad commanded his followers to kill family members.

I gave you a source--Sunan Ibn Majah. If you can show that my source in unreliable, please do so. But if you expect me to do the research for you, think again. I'm not your dhimmi.


I've caught you here david. I can tell your cracking right up.
YOU presented a hadith that NO one has heard of.
I asked YOU to explain where you got it form and the reliability.
And YOU're saying i'm annoying because you can't make up an excuse?



You're right that I'm cracking up, but I don't think I mean the same thing you mean.

You asked for a saying from Muhammad. I gave you one. You ask where I got it from. I've told you where I got it from--Sunan Ibn Majah. Now you're telling me I need to investigate its authenticity for you. And here you're simply wrong. You need to grow up and investigate things for yourself. This comes from one of your most trusted collections of ahadith. If you want to reject it, you need to come up with a reason for rejecting it.

You seem to assume that I'm just dying to convince you of something. Here you're simply wrong. I couldn't care less whether you accept your sources or throw them out. (Indeed, I'd rather you throw them out. The more ahadith you reject, the closer you are to rejecting everything about the life of Muhammad.)

So here's where we are. I gave you a Hadith. You want to reject it, but you're so incredibly lazy that you refuse to do the slightest bit of research on your own. You even expect Christians to do a study of Muslim sources for you!

Well, too bad. Based on the number of comments you've posted on this, I can see that this hadith troubling you tremendously. If it bothers you that much, I suggest you learn to do research. Otherwise, quit complaining. I'm not your dhimmi.




-YOU presented a hadith no on has EVER heard of.

-YOU came up with it and no one knows HOW.

-I ask YOU, because YOU came up with it, to explain when, why it was said. I asked the RELIABILITY because again YOU came up with it. And YOU have not been able to answer me.
What the matter? why dont YOU (because YOU came up with it) explain to all of us?

If you didn't ignore my previous comments, i told you i researched that hadith and i got re directed back to this site (no faithfreedom, no answeringislam, no jihadwatch)
Why shoudn't i reject what YOU came up with?
Lol Dhimmi. Nice sidetracking.



Are you saying that no one has ever heard of Sunan Ibn Majah???

There's no point in talking to you if you don't know the basics of Islam. It's one of the six collections known as Sahih Sittah.

Now that we've cleared that up, we can cover the "how" I got it. Well, I opened up the book and typed the Hadith into my computer. Is this really beyond you comprehension? IT'S IN THE BOOK. BUY IT AND SEE. AND SINCE IT'S IN THERE, ANYONE WITH THE BOOK CAN TYPE IT INTO A COMPUTER. IT'S NOT DIFFICULT. I DON'T SEE HOW YOU CAN'T FIGURE THIS OUT.


Wow WHAT a joke.
AGAIN you in NO WAY are answering me AT ALL.
AGAIN this hadith is NO WHERE to be found (NOT ON jihadwath, NOT ON answering islam, NOT ON faithfreedom or ANY of it's affiliates, NOT ON investigate islam, NOT ON islamreview, NOT ON truthnet......)

YOU JUST pulled this out of mid air recently, and not EVER before.

Dont YOU think there's something WRONG when NO site has this hadith?

Your claim that this was "recently translated" means NOTHING. And i find it difficult NONE of your christian buddies have this hadith.

Yeah i can tell you want to leave this discussion. You haven't cleared up NOTHING.
You CANNOT find me a link to this hadith, nor can you find me another narration of anything similar AT ALL.
YOU dont know why, where this was said.
YOU dont want to investigate this hadith because YOU KNOW your wrong here.

**Over here another christian comes aboard into the discussion**

Aussi Christian:

To David,

The reason ali can't get it is simple: It blows his argument away. simple as that, because it proves his argument to be false then there is no amount of proof on earth that can prove the point.

Same as when a muslim claims anything against Christianity, anything at all including a snail shell with two dots on the side will be brought forward as proof.

Or to put it another way, nothing can disprove islam but anything can disprove Christianity.

But on a side note, ali has got to the point where he is just throwing a tantrum cause he has lost. I wouldnt bother flogging a dead horse, it wont get you any further.

Peace and Love


i can see aussie deosn't want to admit either.
Probably a holy spirit thing.


New rule. Anyone who blasphemes the Holy Spirit is getting blocked. I simply can't continue hitting "Accept Comment" when by pushing the button I am posting blasphemy against the Spirit. So, you're blocked Ali. You've wasted all of our time, and you have spoken against the Spirit of God.

**Another Christian comes along**


Brother David,

bravo for blocking this guy and for doing so whoever blasphemes the Holy Spirit.

God bless

Well we can greatly see how christians, especially David and his partner Nabeel who went all the way to Britian, to complain how freedom of speech is the GREATEST right given to us.
Isn't it wierd how christians blaspheme against us ALL the time, yet get seriously offended when we speak out, in a response to their vulgar filth they spread about islam?
To conclude, David made zero attempt to prove anything. And i GURANTEE he'll bring up this unrelibale, FALSE, hadith often.

I regret this now but I should have noted out to David that the hadith he presented didn't even at ALL SPEAK ABOUT HONOR KILLINGS. Muhammed (peace be upon him) said carry out the LEGAL punishments. This hadith itself proves that there is the rule of law in Islam. The legal punishments are if the person murdered, raped, or in some cases adultered while he'she was married. Also the hadith does not speak of capital punishment or just a warning punishent. Either way I have no clue what went on David's head.

Ft Hood shooter attended strip clubs

What are the chances christian sites are going to put this one up?
So how is he a "devout" muslim if he does christian activities?

Major Nidal Malik Hasan was a regular customer at a club close to the Texas military base and on one occasion spent six hours there watching women pole dancing.
His behaviour in the lead-up to the shooting spree was similar to that of some of the September 11 hijackers. Mohamed Atta, the group leader, and four accomplices spent time in a strip bar in Las Vegas, while others frequented one in Florida.
Starz, the club visited by Hasan, is just yards away from Guns Galore, the weapons store where he legally bought the semi-automatic pistol he used in the attack.

Saturday, November 14, 2009

Preacher, Evangalist senteced to 175 years of prison

Some say Tony Alamo is a cult leader. But those claims come from NGO's, and articles, of whom mostly are atheist. What they do not know is every day christian practices is strongly and strictly enforced in their holy scriptures.
This is the second or third article I've wrtitten on this monster. With no real condemnations by any christian leader.

Evangelist Tony Alamo was sentenced Friday to 175 years in prison for taking little girls as young as 9 across state lines to have sex with them.

The decision punishes him for the rest of his life for molesting children he took as “brides” in his ministry.

Alamo, 75, had denied the charges, claiming they came from a Vatican-led conspiracy against the church he led, called the Tony Alamo Christian Ministries.

Phillipians 1:18 says christians are commanded to lie for christ. But like always the holy spirit supports the bible:

Numbers 31: 17-18

17. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

18. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Thursday, November 12, 2009

Examples of christian sites-another one targeting muslims

This southern California based ministry is called "Minsitry to Muslims" founded by a former muslim George Saieg (its weird because one area says he is a former muslim while other area's say he was always a catholic). This ministry has had complaints from other muslims before and thankfully our friends at islamonline took care of the incidents.
Like all other christian sites and "former" muslims, they have a habit of attacking islam in every way possible. Once again despite islamic sites, lectures, video's by male and female scholor's who continously and constantly refute all myths and lies these missionaries tend to spread (mostly for evangalist purposes), they apparently dont' get it. It is quite understandable with the drug of ignorance and the drunk ideologies, we muslims shouldn't pressure their tiny fogged up minds too much. They can't/wont accept/handle truth.
They want to be free. They want to open their hearts. Which is why some muslims convert to christianity. But that freedom means theres no pressure of God, unlike in islam. No pressure makes you do anything you want without the fear of God-Taliban and Al-Queda fit in this category as well (a quote from the world-renown Amir Liyaqat Hussein. A notable and very popular scholor from Pakistan).

Anyways like many problems christians suffer, they tend to take verses and hadiths (reliable or not) out of context, even switch a few words around, or even full sentences (like our friends at islamreview (another anti-islam christian site)).
Again, they use it mostly for evangelist uses. Remember Phillipians 1:18 allows them to lie for Christ, as Paul said.
All right lets begin:

Just a few weeks later, 9/11 occurred, calling Saieg to expose Islam's deceptive teachings and mobilize American Christians to action. Soon after, he began ACP and hasn’t stopped speaking in churches and conferences all across the US . In 2006, George was ordained as a pastor by Calvary Chapel.

**Well I dont know how the acts of a few means anyone needs to expose a faith. I can do the same with the Klu Klux Klan, the Army of God or the Lord's Resistance Army who slaughter(ed) many.
Take SERIOUS AND STRICT NOTES about his MAJOR evangalism he presents (to lure the reader) next**

To my Muslim Friends,

I do not desire to offend any of you. I do not have a problem with Muslim people I have a problem with the religion of Islam. I know that many of you did not have the choice to become Muslim. Soon after the death of Muhammad many wanted to leave Islam, but Abu Bakr threatened punishment for all apostates. For many of you, Islam is not a choice you have made; it is a religion passed down to you by your family. I understand that leaving Islam is equal to leaving your family.

**Actually the convert rate to islam is EXTREMLEY high, alot more than the decreasing christianity.
There is NO source of ANYONE wanting to leave Islam after Muhammed's pbuh death. Furthermore Abu Bakr NEVER punished ANYONE. Again there's NO EVIDENCE AT ALL about anyone leaving islam after the Prophet's death. And again there is no punishment for those who leave islam.
We muslims simply dont take Islam just for the sake of it. That's christians and it's quite clear.**

There are some of you who keep your questions to yourself out of fear, even if you don’t believe. I do not want to make your life difficult, to challenge you, or threaten you. My heart is to give you choice and freedom. Don’t be afraid of what people think, open your mind to who Jesus really is. Listen to what He says,

“All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.” (Matthew 11:27-30)

**No not really. Any questions that come up we ask scholors or friends or family.
We know we have a choice and we choose Islam.
The bible itself has no clear indications of who wrote what gospels. Mathew like George presents here, only has limited evidence (which is thoughts by scholors) that Mathew actually wrote it. None the less, what evidence is there these people were inspired by God (the ones who wrote the bible)?
The next few pargraphs are just more verses. They dont mean much and have no real relations to George's purpose**

Muhammad was born in Mecca in 570 A.D. In 609 A.D., at the age of forty, Muhammad proclaimed himself to be the prophet of Islam, which means "submission to Allah". In 622 A.D., Muhammad fled to Medina after being rejected by the leaders in Mecca . Islam became such a large and powerful military force that by the year 630 A.D., Muhammad was able to return to Mecca , conquer his enemies, and destroy all idols. By the time of his death in the year 632 A.D., the entire Arabian Peninsula was under the rule of Islam by the sword. In the time of the successors of Muhammad after his death, Islam was spread by the sword to India , parts of China , Syria , Israel , Jordan , Egypt , Persia , parts of Asia, Afghanistan , the Caucuses, Sub Saharan Africa, Malaysia , and Indonesia.

**We can see how christians are going to do their best, to choose the lowest rung of words to apply to Muhammed pbuh. Like how he was "rejected" by leaders in Mecca. Actually when we look at the cold hard facts he, his family, his followers and close friends fled because of PERSECUTION.
Islam was spread by the sword? I suggest if Mr Saieg is going to lie, he might as well know the actual truth (DO RESEARCH).**

1. Shahada - Confession of faith (There is no god other than Allah. Muhammad is the messenger of Allah).

2. Salat - Prayer (Five times a day facing Mecca ).

3. Zakat - Charity (2.5 % of income).

4. Sawm - Fast (During the lunar month of Ramadan from the sunrise to sunset).

5. Hajj - Pilgrimage (Once during lifetime, if affordable).

6. Jihad - Killing the infidels (Christian and Jewish) in the name of Allah.

**Once again lies show (Paul commanded them to lie for Christ (
Phillipians 1:18-But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.))
There are FIVE pillars of Islam. Jihad is considered by SOME as an UNOFFICIAL pillar. Jihad means struggle. We muslims constantly go through this in the West.
Killing is NOT in our faith. ESPECIALLY people of the book.**

Islam teaches that completing the first five pillars is not a guaranty that you will escape hell and go to heaven. The one exception is the reward for dying in Jihad as a martyr for Islam. The reward is heaven and 72 virgin women.

**No not really. Islam ONLY allows war with those who CALL WAR on muslims. And Islam expects muslims (especially men) to stand up in war.
72 virgins actually comes from a false hadith. There will be women, BUT as islam says, the good muslim women will be MORE beautiful then the ones in heaven.

Theres similar questions on the bottom of the page.**

. Islam requires its followers to force others to accept Islam. Muslims must fight until their enemy submits to Islam. (Sura 2:193; 9:5; 9:29; 47:4)

· Islam instructs Muslims not to befriend Jews or Christians. (Sura 5:51)

· Fight to death those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book (Christians and Jews).... (Sura 9:29)

· Islam teaches that the Qur'an is the Constitution; God is the author of law and the State is the agent to implement the law. (Sura 4:105 and 12:40)

· Resisting Islam (by various means) is punished by death, crucifixion, or the cutting off of the hands and feet. (Sura 5:33)

· Prophet! Rouse the Believers to the fight.... (Sura 8:65)

· Fighting is prescribed upon you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you.... (Sura 2:16)

· "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)....." (Sura 9:5)

**I've explained many times before of the so called "violent" verses. To save time visit the misquoted verses section at load-islam that THOROUGHLY refute the christian myths. What happens is chrisians forget the verses above and below that talk about specific events, making it seem as if the verses actually mean what they do.**

• Islam teaches that men are superior to women. (Sura 2:228)

• Islam considers the wife a possession. (Sura 3:14)

• Islam teaches that a wife is subject to punishment by her husband. As a punishment, beating a wife or abstaining from sexual relations with her is allowed. (Sura 4:34)

• Islam teaches that women are unclean. If a Muslim man touches a woman before praying, he is considered unclean for prayer. (Sura 4:43; 5:6)

• Islam considers the wife a sex object. (Sura 2:223)

• The wife after being divorce may not remarry her husband until she has married and been divorced by another man. This is called "al Mohalil" (the legalizer). (Sura 2:229-230).

• The Qur'an says that God will forgive a person who forces his girls into prostitution. (Sura 24:33)

** It's EXTREMLEY COMMON for christians to target women. I bet he doesn't realize what both testemants say about women. Lets ask the quran if women are oppressed: 2:127- "Oppression is worse than murder"
Islam honours and respects women and expects them to stand up and take responsiblity, rights and freedoms. Due to the well known fact most converts to islam are women, their desperate attempts are quite evident.
Islam has given women a HIGH status in life, EVEN above men. The Quran and hadith speak for me.
All right begining with the first point. When it says men have a degree above women, its referring to RESPONSIBILTY. George presents verse 4:34 later. Reading the first line, God has made it a man's life TO SERVE WOMEN. This is no condition it is a COMMAND.
Next we see George say women are considered posessions. Lets analyze the verses from 3:13-14

3:13] An example has been set for you by the two armies who clashed - one army was fighting in the cause of GOD, while the other was disbelieving. They saw with their own eyes that they were twice as many. GOD supports with His victory whomever He wills. This should provide an assurance for those who possess vision.

[3:14] Adorned for the people are the worldly pleasures, such as the women, having children, piles upon piles of gold and silver, trained horses, livestock, and crops. These are the materials of this world. A far better abode is reserved at GOD.

Well 3:13 wasn't that needed, but looking at 3:14 we see God speaking to those who LOVE THIS WORLD. And I dont see where this verse considers women a posession.

Ah yes the next point. Really I dont understand why christians get so worked up about this. They are so into this verse. Did you know 1500 women in the US die because of domestic abuse every year? And they believe islam allows domestic violence. Do you see again why we're always looking at the christian views of islam? The thing is, the Western Society we live in is very sensitive to family violence. Due to the fact many wives are battered by their husbands, rights orginizations have become so influenced that they object any physical motions towards women, whether it's in real life or on paper. They've also got support from the media and citizens like us. So hearing the allegations, opinions and thoughts that Muslim men can beat their wives is understandable, from their point of view. Though what Islam says about this and what Westerners intepret are completely different. You cannot compare the 2.

The Quran is not meant to be understood by reading one verse. It is a book which needs to be fully read to know what is happening and what's going on. The same goes for everything in life.

Islam has given Muslim women a voice, to be heard. It has given her freedom's, rights, and obligations. As a matter of fact, Muslim women have MORE freedom than Muslim men. Men have been put in charge in terms of protection, finances, shelter and so on. Women have not and they're still placed on a higher level. Throughout the Quran and the sayings of the Prophet (peace be upon him), we see women have to be treated kindly and equily. So if Islamic Scriptures give women all this, why is this included out of nowhere? Well lets think. First there is no reason for a Muslim woman to rebel (the definition of "rebel" is explained further on), if she already has more freedoms and a higher status in an Islamic Society than men. Second what do women possess that men do not? What do they have that can give severe consequences? Can you guess why women have been told to dress modestly? (which by the way just means wearing confortable clothing that isn't too tight, doesn't reveal any body parts and plainly loving for who you are not how you look. Only God judges)
Verse 4:34 has 3 steps for a man to take. They all are no joke, serious approaches for serious situations. So we can see these are for the RARE issues, directed towards the MINORITY of Muslim women. God is being clear how he wants his worshipping women to behave and be like.

Questions about this verse has been asked by Muslims before. If you go to Islamonline, Reading Islam or basically any scholarly source, they use the term "behaviour" in regards to women. It's because they expect you to already know what that means in this context, which is why they don't go heavily into detail and analyze from the begining to the end. But for this one time we'll do a full analysis to educate non-believers and Muslims.

And it should be noted, that after reading this section on "wife beating", that this verse applies more to UN-islamic societies. Unfortunataly many Muslim Nations are Christianized today (clothing wise, gambling, prostitution etc). It may also apply to Christian/Jewish wives since Islam allows Muslim men to marry CHASTE women of the book. Below, after I've done refuting this alleged claim, I'll explain about this and how it can't be used today and why this verse was put in the Quran. Anyways let's begin analyzing An-Nisa 4:34.

Have a stroll at night during downtown. Go to nightclubs, watch music videos. What's so common about the women in these?
Lets look at it line by line:

"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women,because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means...."

As I said before this is a COMMAND by God to protect and maintain women. This means men give women their FULL 12 basic (same as men) rights, they provde housing, food and medical care (in islam a man's wealth is to support his wife and family FIRST while a wife's wealth (however she gets it) is for herself ONLY). A wife should respect her husband for serving her (like a man or a woman who has servants would respect them working for him/her). In a relationship, it's known that men and women behave different. Women need love and men need respect. We see in verses and hadiths women get what they need. Next line:

"Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard....."

So again the line talks about women needing to respect her husband's efforts to serve and please her and keep her happy. Also it says the Muslim women are obedient (not in the case of listening to her husband. Ephesians 5:22, 5:24 don't exist in the Quran) to islam. Here we see the man's need which is, as I said above, respect. And since the husband is the "Man of the house", he need's to know eveything. Everything/everyone that enters or leaves the house has to be known by the husband, for various reasons (like security and again respect). He is the head of the household which means all decisions are by him, BUT the Quran clearly says men HAVE to discuss and take advice FROM THEIR WIVES before making those choices. This goes back towards the "men needing respect" thing.
Islam expects women to be righteous (like above in the verse), which means being mature and follow rules. Go look in a school classroom. Girl's are the ones who listen and don't misbehave. They abide by all rules. So why should they misbehave when they're older? When they're more vulnerable to rapes, assaults, harassments and so on? Women don't like any unwanted attention, especially by creepy men. It annoys and pisses them off. Am I right or wrong? It's common sense for her not to put herself in these types of situations.
Next line:

"As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct...."

Again as islam respects and honours women, it has no respect to women who dont respect themselves. Lets see the last part of 24:31-"They shall not strike their feet when they walk in order to shake and reveal certain details of their bodies."
The verse literally speaks for itself. Muslim women should not/cannot be sluts and whores (basically the haraam women). They should not/cannnot expose themselves everywhere-tv's, computers, boards, public places etc. These can have negative influences on young boys and especially girls (i.e they need the "perfect body", they need to show their beauty and not hide it, they need to lose weight to look good etc). Men do not like their women being like this (you don't even have to use religion to see this, it's a man's nature). This is one of the few soft spots in males (yes we guys have feelings too). So is this fair to a man, when he's told to serve women?

In islam, as it is the husband's duty to provide and protect for the family, it is a wife's duty to raise children (since children learn from, and are more attracted to their mother's and vice versa). The first role for women is motherhood. Obligations should always come before what we want.
Women in islam cannot go astray, as they hold important positions according to islamic values. The "naughty" and "bad" girls do not exist in islam. For example I was recently in Las Vegas. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. Girl's pole dancing in public, nude women portrayed on hotel buildings, the skimpy outfits. I was really concerned about my little sister who was being exposed to all of this. Every few minutes I had to distract her, every few moments I had to get infront of her to block off her view.
Another example, and we all know it, is when we rent a movie and have a family night with you know, kids. We can't keep our finger off the forward button just in case that one randmom girl appears.
The women who wear racy clothing, who hold party girl images have no place in Islam. And these women who want to be loved for their bodies are very insulting to other women. God gave women wonderful features and abusing the beauty given to them by their creator shows the weakness in the faith (unless your christian where the bible appaulingly speaks about a woman's body that were created for men, and should show it off (it literally does in the song of songs and song of solomon!). Continues to show which faith oppresses and degrades women doesn't it?).
A woman with her sexuality can get anything she wants. And again that goes back to abusing what God gave her. This is why Islam calls for women to dress modestly (ironically, nearly all schools and many work places in the world do too). Being modest seperates a muslim woman from a non-muslim one. Now I'm not nagging on every non-muslim girl, but you know... the ones who come out at night and the ones who want to be loved for their bodies.
Since women are a temptation and an urge for men, the more they cover the less they'll be targeted. The less problems they'll face. For example, a non-muslim guy can ask out a muslim girl. These types of situations are hard to get out of and can have negative consequences.
I continue to this day survey and ask women about what they think of those sluts, whores and women who want to be loved for their bodies. USUALLY they agree with me on how they shouldn't exist (you all yourself can try this).
They say what I say so we know why God put thise verse in the Quran.

Next line:

"admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they repent, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all)."

I'd like to note that it is well known, any type of physical and quick gesture towards a woman gives her a surpirsed and fearful feeling. It's just how a woman's body reacts.

So there's 3 steps:
1) Talk to them not to do it again
2) Dont share the bed with her
3) Hit (what the arabic word "daraba" is most understood as. Just a note the Quran can only better understood in arabic.
When translating any language to english, your not going to get the same meaning in the original language. You have to go through conjugations, you need to swap a few words around here and there to make sense.) or it can be translated as tap or even leave. Some translations have both. "Daraba" has a varety of meanings and is frequently found in te Quran, though none is related to any sort of physical gesture besides verse 4:34. And notice this is the LAST resort if the #1, or #2 steps dont work.
This verse doesn't mean its "domestic abuse", like many christians put it as. Muslim men can't raise an arm on their women unless the reason provided above (and really 99% of Muslim women do behave, act and dress appropriately). Plus it doesn't apply to just any women but "THOSE WOMEN on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct...."

The Quran says after any of the steps, if a woman realizes she's wrong, husbands have to forget the incident(s) that occured, not bring it up and annoy their wives about it. Furthermore the last few words "God is most high and above you all", because it's RIGHT AFTER and in the CONTEXT, it means God is great and high and men do not dominate women, because all glory and worship is owned by him and NOT to men (centuries of men being superior to women stopped when islam came. That there is no one higher above women and men but God alone).
The last words probably apply more so to men, for them not to take advantage or anything to far.
Even those strict Wahabbi cult Saudi's, who distort Islam quite a bit, say the "beating" cannot cause pain nor harm the wife. Sure some of their reasons are irrational and far fetched, but the hitting/beating cannot break anything, nor leave a mark. In addition to that, all tasfir and scholarly views see this as a simple little tap that is meant for emotional pain rather than physical. So we can easily see it's more of a symbolic tap. Like I said how a woman's body is not familiar with physical gestures/actions towards them, they usually will stop to not get that odd fearful feeling.

Quran 2:231, says men can't marry or keep women that hurts or harms the wives. If the women in ANY way are, a man's sinful (2:231-Do not retain them to harm them so that you transgress limits. He who does this has wronged himself).
Thq Quran clearly says husbands and wives are sources of comfort. Also the holy book mentions couples should live in peace and tranquility, and that men and women are garments for each other (30:21; 7:189 , and 2:187).
How did Muhammad (pbuh) treat his wives? With love and kindness. And we're all to follow him.
A man can't use any sort of physical gesture towards his wife in blind anger. A wife who fears from her husband has been automatically granted divorce- "If a wife fears cruelty or desertion on her husband's part, there is no blame on them if they arrange an amicable settlement between themselves; and such settlement is best; even though men's souls are swayed by greed. But if ye do good and practise self-restraint, God is well-acquainted with all that ye do. (Quran, 4:128)"
And lets not forget verse 4:19 where men have to be obedient to their wives and live with them in kindness and with honour. And speaking of this verse, let's look at it real quick: "O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may take away part of the dower ye have given them, except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good." Right here the verse tells men cannot be harsh to women unless they're expressing open lewdness which means exposing the body for attention, and whatever else I mentioned above. So it's obviously clear 4:34 refers to Muslim women acting like the already hell-bound girls.

Another verse has it that Abraham was commanded by God to listen to his wife and obey what she wanted (the exact verse escapes me).

Muhammed pbuh said:

Paradise lies at the feet of the mother.”

Narrated Abu Huraira:
A man came to Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) and asked,
“O Allah’s Apostle! Who is more entitled to be treated with the best companionship by me?”
The Prophet(PBUH) said, “Your mother
.” The man said. “Who is next?”
The Prophet(PBUH) said, “Your mother.
” The man further said, “Who is next?”
The Prophet(PBUH) said, “Your mother.
” The man asked for the fourth time,
“Who is next?” The Prophet(PBUH) said, “Your father. ”

Obedience to a mother is obedience to God.

“The most perfect believer in the matter of faith is one who has excellent behaviour; and the best among you are those who behave best towards their wives.”

This hadith above meaning men have to follow verse 4:19, to obey and be kind their wives.

Okay so Saieg didn't present this but Islam allows men to marry christian or jewish women, with restrictions and conditions of course. Nothing in Islam is free for men. You all should know that i have personally witnessed marriages between Muslim men and non-muslim women and you know what? They haven't worked out. Because Muslim men can't marry just any christian or jewish woman. If they don't qualify to Islamic standards then there's a gurantee it won't work.
Here is the verse:

[5:5] Today, all good food is made lawful for you. The food of the people of the scripture is lawful for you, [and your food is lawful for them]*. Also, you may marry the chaste women among the believers, as well as the chaste women among the followers of previous scripture, provided you pay them their due dowries. You shall maintain chastity, not committing adultery, nor taking secret lovers. Anyone who rejects faith, all his work will be in vain, and in the Hereafter he will be with the losers

The reason Islam allows men to marry Christian or Jewish women is the fact that 1)They have to be CHASTE (and what percentage of christian or jewish women do we find today that are virgins? No offence or disrespect to Christian or Jewish women who are chaste, or plan on being chaste until marriage). Being chaste means also not being immoral in any way. Bilal Philips, a renowned scholar and former Christian has said that many Muslim men in Asia where there countries are swamped with westernization (like Pakistan) get the idea of a Christian or Jewish woman are blond haired and blue eyed with the perfect body. That is AGAINST what Islam says. The sheikh also said these men go to bars and nightclubs to find these women. How disgusting? It should be noted that Christian scholars are outright fine with nightclubs and bars, even nude pageants (like Carrie Prejean who got praise from Christian groups for defending her nude pics with the Bible). These women are OFF LIMITA TO MUSLIM MALES. 2)The children of the interfaith couple will have to grow up Muslim so the wife has no choice but to convert (since her knoweledge will rub off onto her kids as they grow). 4)Islam tells to tolerate and repect Christian and Jewish faiths. 5) Theres many Christian women specifically, that are living in dangerous area's of the world. For example the Democratic Republic of Congo has the highest rape rate in the world. In Uganda and Kenya, women are burned for being 'witches'. The LRA, a Christian terror group often target women and kidnap them. Marrying these women saves them from oppression, and we all know what Islam says about helping those who are oppressed (4:15, 5:8, 16:90, 4:58, 4:105, 6:115, 6:152 57:25). This could also be said for Christian women in Pakistan and India where they're frequently assaulted from so called 'Muslims' and 'Hindu's'. 6) Fiqh Law has stated that marrying Christian and Jewish women from the West is not Islamic (reasons are above).

Mufti Ikram in response to my question wrote that is it PERMISSIBLE, not mandatory or recommended to marry Christian or Jewish women:

The reason women can't marry non-muslim men is quite understandable and simple. 1) I'm a guy and you don't want to know what their definition of hygiene is. Islam tells us all about cleanliness. Women in general are more thoughtful about sanitation than men (though their standards don't meet up to the Muslim females).
2)In the Christian and Jewish scriptures, women are told to remain at home and have no authority over men. Plus they have to "submit" to their husbands commands and call them Lord (ephesians 5:22-24, 1 Peter 3:6 and several other verses). Women are told to serve their husbands while in Islam it is the opposite.
3)In christianity, women are not allowed to divorce and are stuck with their husbands for life. If the husband dies she is suppose to marry anyone of his brothers. This isn't true in Islam.
4)Women in Christianity and Judaism are exempt from inheritance (if brother's exist), and all decision making. Which again is contradictory to the Quran.
5)Since jewish and christian scriptures place men as the master's of their houses, the children will grow up with his religion and his commands of how to be raised. A wife cannot object to his wishes, which yet again contradicts Islam.

So their you have it. The Quran does say the true path is clear from the wrong one. You choose which is right.

Next point Saieg says women are unclean. Sadly this liar fails to realise that this is referring to women who are going through menses. Aisha in hadiths showed amazement that the Prophet (pbuh) had such control. He often kissed her when she went through her menses. She even challenged other people, saying if they had control like him.
Read here for further info on hadiths:

A woman who's going through menstruation does not have to pray, nor read the Quran. And she doesn't have to make up for it either when she's done.
Read here (like before there's more questions and answers related to this):

Next George says islam considers womne as sex objects.
Okay well i dont know how covering yourself for modesty, to be liked for WHO you are is considered to being sex objects while christian women, who are literally famous for wearing their western clothes (dont forget christianity shaped the west), who get praised by christian leaders for defending this type of clothing (see our articles on the model Carrie Prejean).
The verse talks about how to have sex. Islam is very open about this.
Christians need to look at the history of the verse, where/why they were revealed and the hadiths behind it. It was revealed when a Jewish Man said a man can approach his wife anyway he wants to during sex. Here is the verse:

[2:223] Your women are the bearers of your seed. Thus, you may enjoy this privilege however you like, so long as you maintain righteousness. You shall observe GOD, and know that you will meet Him. Give good news to the believers.

This is a metaphor used by God. Some other translations use the word "tilth". Here is a definition for it: "the state of aggregation of soil and its condition for supporting plant growth"

"Tilth" means the same thing as "the bearers of your seed" like above. This verse tells us sex is can be done however the 2 partners wish, but the penis has to enter the vagina as that is where the "cultivation" happens.

Now for his last point, he talks about divorce.
Firstly, it should be known God HATES divorce and it should be the LAST approach of marriages dont wotk out. Marriage, as the Quran states, is supposed to be peaceful, delightful and tranquil to both spouses. Thats how muslim couples SHOULD live.
Divorce, islamically is not a game or joke. It has proper rules and regulations (if divorce occurs). Did you know the bible outright forbids women to divorce their husbands or else they become adulteress's?
Some links on divorce:

Anyways lets look at the veres George presented:

[2:229] Divorce may be retracted twice. The divorced woman shall be allowed to live in the same home amicably, or leave it amicably. It is not lawful for the husband to take back anything he had given her. However, the couple may fear that they may transgress GOD's law. If there is fear that they may transgress GOD's law, they commit no error if the wife willingly gives back whatever she chooses. These are GOD's laws; do not transgress them. Those who transgress GOD's laws are the unjust.

[2:230] If he divorces her (for the third time), it is unlawful for him to remarry her, unless she marries another man, then he divorces her. The first husband can then remarry her, so long as they observe GOD's laws. These are GOD's laws; He explains them for people who know.

So what George failed to present was that its the THIRD time. If the original couple want to get back together, the wife and her new husband need to divorce her. But again, you cant divorce like a game. This will be a joke in the muslim community. And it is quite unislamic.

And finally the last retarded lie George coughs up is him saying God will forgive a person who forces his "SLAVES" or "SERVANTS" into prostitution. We can see Saieg using Phillipians 1:18. Its the OTHER way around-servants or POW who get forced into being raped are FORGIVEN for THEIR sins they committed.**

-Some help by WomenForTruth101

Islam teaches that any individual, who accepts Islam and later leaves it, will be subject to death. (Sura 9:12; 4:89)

**Here is 4:89

[4:89] They wish that you disbelieve as they have disbelieved, then you become equal. Do not consider them friends, unless they mobilize along with you in the cause of GOD. If they turn against you, you shall fight them, and you may kill them when you encounter them in war. You shall not accept them as friends, or allies.

Well as we look, where does it talk about apostasy?

Dr. Muzammil H. Siddiqi, former President of ISNA:

“Now tell me honestly, do these verses give a free permission to kill any one anywhere? These verses were revealed by God to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him), at the time when Muslims were attacked by the non-Muslims of Makkah on a regular basis. They were frightening the Muslim community of Madinah. One may say using the contemporary jargon that there were constant terrorist attacks on Madinah and in this situation Muslims were given permission to fight back the “terrorist”. These verses are not a permission for “terrorism” but they are a warning against the “terrorists.” But even in these warnings you can see how much restraint and care is emphasized.”

Here is verse 9:12 and 9:13

[9:12] If they violate their oaths after pledging to keep their covenants, and attack your religion, you may fight the leaders of paganism - you are no longer bound by your covenant with them - that they may refrain.

[9:13] Would you not fight people who violated their treaties, tried to banish the messenger, and they are the ones who started the war in the first place? Are you afraid of them? GOD is the One you are supposed to fear, if you are believers.

AGAIN is apostasy mentioned ANYWHERE here?
Actually is death for apostates ANYWHERE in the Quran? Is there any RELIABLE hadith either?
Please dont be surprised at the level christians think at.**

But, JESUS THE MESSIAH SAID "....the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God a service." (John 16:2)

· "Beware of false prophets..." (Matthew 7:15) "...many false prophets will rise up and deceive many." (Matthew 24:11)

· "The thief cometh not, but that he may steal, and kill, and destroy: I (Jesus) came that they may have life, and may have it abundantly." (John 10:10)

**The first verse doesn't mean anything. False prophets have ALWAYS existed and ALWAYS were there sources of guidence sent to help people to the Lord. Also no where in the New Testement does it completely confirm, that Jesus is the LAST prophet or man of truth. The torah, which came thousands of years before the NT says the same about false prophets.
Muhammed pbuh fits into every single category (not just saying that) of what a God's prophet should be like. Also the Quran which embarasses the bible on so many levels is a miracle with many prophecies and miracles in it, unlike the bible which only contains metaphors and similies. You choose**

· There are around 1.2 Billion Muslims in the world.
Only 25% of Muslims are Arabs. The largest number of Muslims are Indonesians.

· There are around 6 million Muslims in the United States .

There are over 2,000 Islamic centers in the United States .

· In California alone, there are around 240 Islamic centers and 20% of all Muslims in the US . Around 20% of the Muslims in America are African-American.

My desire is to see the body of Christ ready and equipped to reach the Muslims. Please don't see the Muslims as enemies! They are victims of Islam. Many Islamic countries and family pressures prevent Muslims from choosing Christ.

And it is true SOME islamic countries and SOME family are very unfamilliar with apostasy. But I dont get why George is trying to lead us to a faith in which its quite clear we're hell bound (once again refer to the stats)**

· Please remember Muslims are people for whom Jesus Christ died. (John 3:16) Among the Muslims, there are some of His sheep. (John 10:16)

**What a wierd ideology. Jesus in Paul's faith died for sins, but at the same time non-christians are going to hell? Does it make sense?**

· Pray and ask the Holy Sprit to lead you and give you the ability to forgive and love the Muslims, looking at them as victims of Islam, lost without salvation or sinners loved by God (Romans 3:23) (John 3:16). They are not enemies.

· Study and be prepared to answer their questions, to share the love of Christ and to challenge their faith if needed. (1Peter 3:15)

**Yeah the holy spirit (read all of the christian activity inspired and controlled by the spirit on here)**

· Seek opportunities, build friendships and be patient; don't expect to see quick results. Most Muslims come to Christ in 2 to 8 years. Don't be disappointed. You don't know if God already has been working in his or her life through other believers, situations or dreams.

**Due to the grace of Allah, we muslims barely ever fall into the christian tactics. Like their made up statistics.
That "freedom" feeling is Satan christians always brag about. Not any saviour**.

Carrie Prejean: Bible allows breast implants

On reconciling her breast implants with her Christian faith:
No, I don't think there's anything wrong with getting breast implants as a Christian. I think it's a personal decision. I don't see anywhere in the Bible where it says you shouldn't get breast implants.

As for her sex tape update, Prejean herself says she was 17 when she made it.
After all the bible says about breasts-Song of Songs 4:5 "Your two breasts are like two fawns, like twin fawns of a gazelle that browse among the lilies."


Song of Solomon 7:7-Your stature is like that of the palm, and your breasts like clusters of fruit

Carrie Prejean loses it on CNN!

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Monday, November 9, 2009

Another good read

Once again how would the christian media react if christians did the same rare incidents some muslima did?

Sunday, November 8, 2009

Good read article

Talks about the Ft Hood shootings and what would happen if the shooter were christian.

Muslims saved jews from Nazi's

Johanna Neumann is on a journey more than 70 years in the making . . . a journey that started in Germany. She left Hamburg when she had just turned 8.

She remembers it because, she says, "this was such a dramatic experience."

Her life changed in the violent darkness of November 9, 1938, during Kristallnacht - the Night of Broken Glass. It was when the Nazis launched a vicious assault on Jewish communities - looting homes, destroying businesses, burning synagogues. It was an ominous preview of the horrors to come.

Her father feared where his country was headed, so he began preparations to flee. Young Johanna tagged along with him on a devastating errand in the basement of their apartment building:

"He had all of this correspondence and photography, photographs and so on of his youth, of his life," she said. "And he had made arrangements with the superintendent of the house that he could burn his things in the furnace. And you know, like every piece that he burned was like a piece of his life being thrown away. It's a whole life that you're putting on fire."

A few months later, little Johanna and her parents were gone, leaving Germany for good.

But on this day, Johanna's journey won't take her back to Germany. Instead, she's returning to an unlikely safe haven . . . and a reunion with her improbable family.

Edip Pilku is anxiously waiting to greet the woman he hasn't seen in about 62 years, but he clearly hasn’t forgotten her: "Memories are forever."

"Will we cry or not? Will we kiss or not?" he pondered.

You could say Edip is Johanna's brother . . . at least, that's what they told the Nazis.

"The families surrounding us didn't know that we were sheltering Jews," Pilku said. "My mother had spread the word that they were her relatives from Germany."

That was the cover story?" Axelrod asked.

"That was the cover story: We're Germans from Germany, and we were her family."

(Left: Johanna Neumann is reunited with Edip Pilku, an Albanian Muslim whose parents protected Neumann's family from the Nazis during World War II.)

There are a number of extraordinary examples of people around the world who risked, and sometimes lost, their lives hiding Jewish families during the Nazi occupation. But the Pilkus were in Albania, a 70% Muslim country in southeastern Europe.

"The gem of this story is that Albania took in refugee Jews," said Deborah Dwork, who has written a book about Jewish refugees during World War II.

"Europe 1938, '39, '40, even '41, we see it as a totally closed universe," she said. "and Jews in that closed universe, they were looking for holes, for openings. People began to whisper: 'I hear if you get to Albania, you will be safe.'"

Safe, because of a cornerstone of Albanian culture known as Besa - the promise to treat strangers as if they were family . . . and guard them with their lives.

"It has to do with a certain sense of honor, an honor code that they take very seriously," said Dwork. "It's not simply to give someone something -a bed for a night, a hot meal. It's really to offer protection, full protection. They judged themselves by that code, and they also knew that their neighbors judged them by that code."

Like their neighbors, the Pilkus adhered closely to Besa . . . and to their Muslim beliefs that also emphasize the protection of others.

"The role of Albanian culture and traditions and the religious influence of Islam came together," Dwork said. .

Although Edip's mother was of German heritage, she embraced Besa and Islam, especially after the Nazis occupied Albania.

Edip proudly tells the story of his mother affecting a thick German accent to throw off the Nazis growing suspicious of Johanna and her family - not once, but twice: "My mother got mad that day, she became nervous and said, 'It is the second time. Are you suspicious to not believe a German woman that she hasn't shelter here? I don't know Jews. You're wasting your time here and if you come again, I'll complain. It's a shame for you to come here!'

"They saluted her and left!"

Through all this, remember, Johanna and her parents were hiding in plain sight.

"And here you are coming in contact with German soldiers. Were you scared? Was it hard for you to look them in the eyes to talk?" Axelrod asked. "You also had to make sure they didn't find out you were Jewish.

"Right. Well, I think scared is probably the right word," Neumann said. "I certainly was during the occupation very much afraid that I wouldn't live the next day."

According to the International School for Holocaust Studies, Albania did not turn over a single Jew to the Nazis.

Instead, when the Germans demanded the Albanians provide lists identifying Jews in their country, the Albanian government not only didn't comply, it even warned Jews to hide and urged its citizens to help.

In fact, after the war, there were more Jews living in Albania than there were before.

It's an extraordinary record. So how is it that so few people know about it?

"Because of the shutters that went down on Albania so soon after 1945 and the draconian Communist regime," said Dwork. "For the next half century, Albania was completely cut off from everyone, even from other Communist countries. And by the time the shutters lifted, what happened half a century ago was not so urgent as people's everyday needs right then and there."

As seen in the upcoming documentary, "God's House," photographer Norman Gershman traveled to Albania to document surviving members of families that saved Jews during the Holocaust.

Gershman said, "I had to find out what these people did."

Among them: Edip Pilku. He's pictured holding a plaque indicating his mother and father were honored as "righteous among nations."

"Johanna and her family gave testimony that 'Yes, this family saved our lives.'"

And Johanna says her own parents, who both died in 1961, always wanted to make up for the way they parted with the Pilkus all those years ago.

Edip said their parting was very hard for him, too: "I don't even know how they left. My mother pulled me to the other side as she didn't want me to get sad, I wouldn't know. They left … hastily."

The Allies whisked 14-year-old Johanna and her parents out of Albania in September of 1945.

"We were told that we cannot even go and say goodbye," Johanna said, "because there was danger that we might get arrested. It was much to my parents real regret. Terrible regret . . .No chance to say 'thank you.'"

Finally, decades later, she had her chance. This was Johanna's journey.

"When you saw him again, sixty two years later, can you describe that reunion?" Axelrod asked.

"Well, in a way, it was a little bit strange," Johanna said, laughing, "because I left a little boy, and here was an old man! It was very emotional, there's no question about it."

After the war, Johanna's family settled safely in the United States. But in newly-Communist Albania, a very different fate awaited the Pilkus. They quickly went from being the protectors to the oppressed. And their life together as a family ended in tragedy when Edip Pilku's father was arrested and executed by the Communist regime.

"Here was such a good human being," Johanna said. "He was shot for what? I don't know for what."

Johanna Neumann spent years trying to honor the family that saved hers. Her deepest satisfaction came only recently in a conversation with Edip Pilku's daughter.

"I got my reward," Neumann said. "She said, 'I am so proud to know what my grandparents did.' And that was really my main purpose, because he was executed by the Communists so, 'What do the grandchildren think?'"

One look at Edip Pilku's face tells the whole story:

"I see a very modest son, very proud of his family and proud of what they did and seeking nothing, nothing other than saving people who were desperate," said Gershman.

"These people were courageous," said Neumann. "They were righteous. And they were just wonderful people."

Saturday, November 7, 2009

Famous Christians

This is a little something new. Every month, we'll be profiling short segments of notorious followers of Paul. Just a little thing so we can understand christians better.

Starting it off is Chris Brown. The very well know celebrity pop star has Jesus tatooed on his arm and has christianity in his songs like "Thank You".
Chris got world wide attention recently when he beat up and heavily wounded his girlfriend, Rihanna. He choked and threatened to kill her all because she threw his car keys out the window.
For details and pictures (WARNING-disturbing content) see below:

Chris Brown wished Rihanna would remain silent and quiet about his horrific assault:

You know what, these people, mostly rappers, always sing about beating women, not to mention the woman who are in the music videos the disgrace and insult they bring. And most are christian (with christian signs to prove even more so).

Thursday, November 5, 2009

What's new with Carrie Prejean?

Carrie, a model who defends her nude pics, her discrimination against homosexuals and now apparenlty her sex tape with the bible and which many christian orginizations have praised her for. Let's read the storey:

A legal standoff between Carrie Prejean and Miss California USA officials reportedly ended when a Pageant lawyer played his trump card: a sex tape far more hard-core than the nude pictures which had previously scandalized her – and in which she had the starring role.
After being shown the hardcore home video - in which she apparently engages in a solo sex act - Prejean dropped her million-dollar-plus demands, reports, and bolted from the negotiating table.

The tape has never been released publically.

The negotiations war ends with Prejean getting zilch, reports. Pageant officials will reportedly pay her lawyers and a publicist $100K, with nothing going directly to her.

The settlement also relieved Prejean of any financial obligations to pageant organizer K2Productions - including repaying her breast augmentation surgery.

Prejean, who was stripped of her Miss California crown in June, had filed suit against pageant officials claiming religious discrimination.

She found herself an unlikely political lightening rod and cause celebre for the Right for voicing faith-based opposition to gay marriage during the Q&A portion of the Miss USA pageant.

Prejean subsequently found herself squarely in the sites of Perez Hilton, the judge who'd asked the question.

The openly gay celebrity blogger excoriated Prejean on his Web site, and suggested her answer might have cost her the Miss USA title.

Officials say they relieved her of the title for failure to attend contractually-obligated appearances.

In addition to accusing her of failing to repay $5200 for the breast augmentation, their counter-suit alleged Prejean broke her contract and lied about sem-nude photos.

Have a look at her christian halloween costume:

For her religious discrimination claim, read here:
LOS ANGELES — Former Miss California USA Carrie Prejean sued pageant officials Monday for libel, slander and religious discrimination, accusing them of telling her to stop mentioning God even before her controversial remarks against gay marriage.