Wednesday, August 12, 2009

My debate with an "ex-muslim"

This i had a couple months ago with a fellow on facebook. There is alot of irrelevancy in this debate brought up by Anthony Davar (the ex-muslim). Some things to note are how he failed to explain what the sharia was and how Iran DIDN'T use it. Many do claim today islamic countries use the sharia (in fact, a majority do not follow it and these are the same countries we always hear in the news). As anyone can see, i proved to anthony that Iran does not use the sharia, to go along with many other things.
We originally started off this debate when Anthony joined an anti-islam group about women in which me and a few other muslim women were debating the non-muslims who ran it.Even there Muslims were the clear winners but Anthony just restated what we muslims refuted. We told him to go read the previous posts but again like many christians, however Anthony chose ignorance. That is why in the begining of the debate (and throughout) i was asking him for him to expand and give references, in which he did not.

I think i jumped off topic a bit, but that was because i could not get a straight answer from this guy. I can tell i was getting to him. At the time we were having the debate, he seemed as if he wanted to end it. Some of his responses took awhile to get to me, after i messaged him asking for a reply. (Note-I had to copy and paste a couple of messages from the previous messages, then back to when I was writing my response because Anthony simply refused to reply to that very topic. Which is why you'll see a series of similar messages. Also this debate was about 3 weeks long so the time length between the posts could be a few hours or even a few days-(that was Anthony)).



Ali:

do you missionaries roam everywhere?

Anthony:

Alijun, I wish I were a missionary. I have my time busy running 3 corporations for now. Following the true will of Allah as revealed to all his prophets is a great blessing that all true muslims should enjoy.

Ali:

then stay away from islamic groups.
as soon as we muslims with the help of allah win the debate on a group we'll show you "former muslims" who come out of nowhere what you missed about islam.

Anthony:

sorry Alijun. Shutting down debate is not appropriate censorship in free countries.

Anthony:

If you'd like, you can hear my interview on www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts/illuminedhearts May 22 and 29th.

Ali:

//As for your theory on beating, In the hadith, Aisha told Mohammad that the wife had been beaten so bad that she had turned color of her skin. Mohammad's first instinct was right: It should not be done, but then he "somehow" consulted with Allah, and came back and said it was ok to beat her. She should submit to her husband's sexual desires and whims or get beat. Please read the hadith and the Quran more carefully and you will know the sad facts about original historical Islam.//

again if you were muslim you'd see what answeringislam, answeringmuslims and faith freedom countinues to get refuted.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/karim/mistranslations_of_hadiths.htm

i will expose you here and on the group. i'm not afraid of debates. maybe if you heard of the group anti-islam on here you can see how the admin there failed to refute any thing. the topic was women. he actually blocked me (not from the group-by account). i messaged him because he wasn't responding. his name is kevin michael and he's from pittsburg penn.

Ali:

Whoops! You've reached a page that does not exist.

We've reorganized our website. You will likely find what you're looking for by using the menu to your left, or searching for what you need (down at the bottom of the page). God be with you!

This is what i get.
so tell me how's your "testemony" any different than those other so called "former muslims".

Ali:

can you tell me is the wife beating (which every one even the anti-islamics know is lightly and cannot cause pain) your way of making islam anti-women? can you tell is there anything that may go for women?

Anthony:

www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts/illuminedheart is the right link. Sorry, added an unncessary "s" at the end.

Ali:

answer me please

Ali:

for every average non-practicing non sunni muslim who gets brainwashed by the christian propoganda, several preists, missionaries, nuns embrace islam.
you can countinue to throw at me those "former muslims" but in the end they dont mean much. we have people with knoweledge about other faiths when entering islam.

Ali:

anthony are you gonna answer me?

Anthony:

Alijun, As I already said, unfortunately I am very busy running companies for now. I was waiting to hear back on your hearing my testimony on the link I provided already?

Anthony:

Dear Ali, I am also not interested in debating, but only in presenting The Truth of God's Love. If you embrace Isa and His Grace for your life, wonderful. If you don't, you are free to reject Him and according to islamic hadith, one day have to answer to Jesus when God comes to judge the world. You are FREE to follow Allah or NOT to follow Him and you can experience the Joys and Love of Heaven now and for all eternity if you follow Him faithfully. The choice is yours.

Ali:

lol joys and freedom. the same freedom and joys thats causing premartial sex, drug addicts, alchoholics, rapes, assaults all because the "holy spirit" guides all.
lol so what hadith?
its funny your "i'm bot going to debate" is common among christians when they fail to give answers.

Anthony:

no idea what you are talking about? are you confused ali? I do not experience any premarital sex, drug addiction, alcoholism, or assaults on my life at all. The Holy Spirit (Ruh Allah) is real (4:171, John 16-17, Acts 2). God is present IN our hearts and closer to my mind that anyone else in the world. He purifies the heart from the inside out and causes love to flow in our relationships by His Grace and Mercies often. Sorry that you do not know of such an Eternal blessing now

Ali:

hmm i can go ask the average person in the west and they wont have a CLUE about christianiy.
the US is 85% christian. it was raised on christian laws and still has some christian aspects in their law system. that freedom you speka of is satan. he makes you go away from the truth. following you heart IS FOLLOWING satan. why? because what we want can go against God.
so anyways 90% of americans have had pre-martial sex. yes thats correct. islam doesnt make up 1% of the population.
again that free feeling your having is the same as othe christians. the same ones who had premartial sex, do drugs, binge drinking, and sexually assaulting. if you look at the statistics the US leads the world in all of those categories.
lets have a look what your fellow holy spirit guided christians are doing:http://news.aol.ca/article/churchs-gay-exorcism-video-causes-stir/656212/?icid=main|canada-toshiba|dl1|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fnews.aol.ca%2Farticle%2Fchurchs-gay-exorcism-video-causes-stir%2F656212%2F

and please answer my previous posts. i'm still waiting for your answer


Anthony:

Ali, your post contradicts what you said. The link showed a Christian Church trying to cast out demons from a man in bondage to homosexuality.

I have shared with you from the Christian Bible what is Pure and Holy and Loving calling of all true Christians who follow Christ, and you are giving me stats about America, the 2 are not the same!

As to whether 90% of Americans have extramarital or premarital sex, where do you get this garbage? I live here now, and latest study showed about 13% of Americans engaging in adulterous sex. Among the young, sex outside of marriage may be in the sad 50% range. BUT EVEN IF 90% OF AMERICANS HAVE ILLICIT SEX, THAT PROVES THAT THEY ARE NOT BEING FAITHFUL TO CHRIST AND THE CHRISTIAN CALL! So, again, you contradict yourself. If the chinese are more pure than muslims, does that mean buddhism is right? NO! Simply means that buddhists are following God's Will in ONE AREA of their lives.

What's your point? I asked from the beginning: Do you want to debate needlessly OR to find Truth? Are you willing to be humble towards People of The Book as Qur'an requires of you or are you going to follow the modern antiIbrahim, antiMoses, antiIsa, AntiApostles, antieveryone except one version of mohammad, muslim movement? Are you open minded to the ONE Allah or are you wanting to prove that your hatred of The Word of Allah given to all prophets for thousands of years is wrong and your cult is right? According to Muslim sources, 6 Million Muslims leave Islam every year and over 70% of Muslim converts leave Islam within 3 years. Muslims cannot murder all of them although their fear of converts reveals the lack of security in their own faith, for only a modern cult would require murdering those who live modern brand of islam for true Islam, Imane Ibrahim that follows The Messiah (Isa Al-Masih)


Ali:

ignorance is common among christians. i wonder what excuse you'll give when i give you the link:http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2006Dec19/0,4670,PremaritalSex,00.html

1 in 4 teen girl in the US has an std:http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ReproductiveHealth/story?id=4429246&page=1

//you are giving me stats about America, the 2 are not the same!//

yeah just like the church a few hundred years ago. the US is 85% christian. it was once a TRUE christian country and still uses christian values in there government and judicial system ("so help me god" is an example).

no its proves that THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT GUIDING THEM. I wrote an article about this how christian culture has overtaken religion. christianity is known for shaping the west and those values have spread over the planet. its because of the west many have forgotten their faiths and we have the holy spirit to thank for.
accroding to your christian claims of 6 million leaving islam, remember these are more so in the poor parts of africa where your missionaries are preaching christianity.do you know why ministries ARE SO OBSESSED WITH 3RD WORLD COUNTRIES? Because they want them TO BECOME CHRISTIAN. Thats the MAIN reason which you cannot deny.
buddy i've notced muslims4jesus on youtube. dont bother giving me his stats.
lol again i question your knoweledge of islam. i say these to ALL of the so called "former muslims". your the longest one to stay in a conversation so far with me.
hmm last time i checked the bible jesus himself commanded the murdering of apostates. same with the jewish scriptures but islam doesnt allow apostates to be killed. that hadith your gonna throw at me fom answering islam is about muhammed pbuh TEMPORARILY allowing that rule because when islam started it was unstable and many would mock it by converting then going back to their old faith. plus people around him converted to other faiths and he didn't kill them.


AND AGAIN I'M WAITING FOR YOUR RESPONSES ON MY ***PREVIOUS POSTS*** ABOUT WOMEN.


Ali:

//Ali, your post contradicts what you said. The link showed a Christian Church trying to cast out demons from a man in bondage to homosexuality.//

Where does it contradict? i know the holy spirit contradicts the bible but where do mine contradict? yes the link showed christians torturing a gay TEEN. one woman yelled "get out you demon. i command you to get out!". LOL does saying these medevil era words give momentum? and aren't christians the ones complaining we need to live in the 21st century?

Anthony:

You continue to ignore the post I gave you already since you have obviously not heard what I have already told you many times. If you want to have conversation, requires respectful TWO-WAY conversation, rather than arrogant attack with no foundations.

As for muslim country problems with sexual sins, the same study source you provided also tells us that 14% of all Muslims in Islamic republic of Iran admitted to having premarital sex by age 15! YES 15 YEARS OLD and 28% of those same Muslim men and women admitted to having premarital sex by age 18 and only 76% think homosexuality is wrong with 24% of the Muslim men and women in Iran already believing that homosexuality is acceptable and nonsinful behavior. In contrast, the church in connecticut believes that homosexuality is SIN and Demonically inspired. Whether I agree with how they go about delivering their members from the demonic and sinful homosexual perversions in the minds of a minority in their church or not, the principle of accepting the TRUTH that homosexuality is sinful is 100% Christian. So, by your standard, the Muslim country of Iran, inspired and run by the principles of Qur'an and Sharia Law, clearly opens the door for 28% of men already having premarital sex by age 18 and 24% believing that homosexual behavior is acceptable. Amazingly, 59% of these Muslims believe it is ok to have premarital sex. source: http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3203506.html

Plus in Iran, we have the awful practice of MUSLIM APPROVAL of premarital sex even for devout Muslims by having Mullahs prescribe signing of "sighehs", where single or married men can have all the sex they want with prostitutes or any other woman, as long as they sign a paper together. That was one of the eye opening experiences I remember vividly about ISLAMIC teaching that our mullah in New Jersey shared that I found abominable. In contrast, Isa Masih (The Word of God and Spirit of God, the ONLY ONE born of a Virgin birth by The HOLY SPIRIT Miracle of God
) told all humanity that it is not only sinful to act out sexual sins, but it is also unlawful to think about a person made in God's Image in sexual sins, for IN CHRISTIANITY SEX IS BLESSED IN MARRIAGE AND MARRIAGE ALONE! While many holy men and women have been blessed to live without sexual practice of any kind, completely devoted to Prayer and Worship of God, ALL THEIR LIVES (i.e. Saint Anthony, Isa Masih, Saint John Chrysostom, etc.).

So, the question I have is which is more GODLY AND TRUE? To believe that God knows and sees all that is in your heart and mind or to believe that God cannot see what is in our minds and hearts? If you believe as Isa Masih, Kalimat Allah and Ruh Allah, taught that God knows and sees everything including that which is in your mind and heart, then you will agree that CHRISTIANS ARE CALLED TO A PURER STANDARD THAN MUSLIMS for Islam has no such PURE AND HOLY understanding of God and the requirement of purity as it is in the Christian Faith. In Contrast to The Christian Practice of emulating our IDEAL AND PERFECT EXAMPLE IN ISA MASIH, WHO WAS PURE, HOLY AND SINLESS ALL HIS LIFE, islam's perfect example and ideal muslim, mohammad, even in his 50s did not have control over his sexuality, for he would add to his heram of teenage women, even a 6 year old girl. SIX YEAR OLD GIRL WITH A 50 YEAR OLD GUY! No wonder Aisha could never bear children all her life and had so many other awful sexual lifestyle problems all the rest of her life as described in many hadiths :-(.

From Allah's viewpoint, if you have sexual lustful thoughts towards another woman, you are already guilty of adultery, and in need of forgiveness and Rahman Allah found in Isa Masih and in the cleansing of the mind, heart, soul and body by Ruh Allah as taught in The Pure Christian Faith for over 2000 years.

As to your awful statement that Jesus taught murdering of apostates, where in the new testament do you find us ever teaching murdering anyone????? The opposite is true: we are taught to love our enemies, pray for those who persecute us and bless those who wrongly abuse us, because we are called to be as Perfect as our Father in Heaven, since Allah himself shows Grace to the righteous and the unrighteous, by providing food, air, water and many things to both the righteous and unrighteous. Therefore, you and I are called to imitate Christ and Love ALL, and not murder anyone! It is a cowardish practice in Islam to have people made in God's Image murdered for following Allah as followers of the Word of Allah taught by Isa Masih and all the Apostles and holy prophets of God.

humbly in Christ,
Anthony

Ali:

//You continue to ignore the post I gave you already since you have obviously not heard what I have already told you many times//

stop copying me. you are the one who has yet to give me a proper answer on many things from debating about women (WHICH I'M STILL WAITING RESPONSES FOR). now your throwing at me random things? doesnt matter i as well as ALL muslims can refute your christian holy spirit guided lies and myths. you're probably aware nearly every single source of anti-islam material is christian run (faithfreedom is atheist but still has a number of christian contributers). another reason why i and muslims dont want to become christian. why choose a faith that creates lies, myths and hatred among other people?

//So, by your standard, the Muslim country of Iran, inspired and run by
the principles of Qur'an and Sharia Law//

Again no. If you read the quran you would see how iran is NOT following the sharia. Most of the islamic states do NOT follow the sharia INCLUDING saudi arabia. these countries may say so but what they do is not in the quran or hadith, hence NO SHARIA.
Buddy i've memorized the quran and hadith in 3 different languages (of course arabic, english, my own language urdu plus i can translate into french as well (i was in french immersion until gr 6)). and i've done a crticial analysis of hadiths. to go along with i have 6 islamic channels, mainly from pakistan and the scholors that come on there condemn all barbaric acts from islamists to countries like iran, pakistan itself and saudi arabia.

//As for muslim country problems with sexual sins, the same study source you provided also tells us that 14% of all Muslims in Islamic republic of Iran admitted to having premarital sex by age 15! YES 15 YEARS OLD and 28% of those same Muslim men and women admitted to having premarital sex by age 18 and only 76% think homosexuality is wrong with 24% of the Muslim men and women in Iran already believing that homosexuality is acceptable and nonsinful behavior//

Your PROVING to me that iran does not run on sharia. again you've contradicted yourself about the sharia.
from you link:
"Twenty-eight percent of the sample reported having engaged in sexual activity. Sexual experience was associated with older age, access to satellite television, ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION..."

Again i find it hard that a sharia run country has beer, wines and spirits lying around for youngsters to get. alcohol is satanic drink which cause plenty of problems as you can see which is why christianity allows it and islam forbids it.

//Plus in Iran, we have the awful practice of MUSLIM APPROVAL of premarital sex even for devout Muslims by having Mullahs prescribe signing of "sighehs", where single or married men can have all the sex they want with prostitutes or any other woman, as long as they sign a paper together//

seems like a christian sharia. looks like they're trying to follow the 85% christian US. again i ask you why you keep contradicting youself between what your christians do and what is in the sharia.

//That was one of the eye opening experiences I remember vividly about ISLAMIC teaching that our mullah in New Jersey//

tell me since you've read the quran how is this islamic?

//Isa Masih (The Word of God and Spirit of God, the ONLY ONE born of a Virgin birth by The HOLY SPIRIT Miracle of God
) told all humanity that it is not only sinful to act out sexual sins, but it is also unlawful to think about a person made in God's Image in sexual sins, for IN CHRISTIANITY SEX IS BLESSED IN MARRIAGE AND MARRIAGE ALONE!//

first this is yet another christian missioanry tactic. replacing isa with jesus so they can get closer to muslims. and you still claim your not a missioanry?
so tell me, 90% of the 300 million americans had premartial sex. america is 85% christian and still runs on christian values. why are the holy spirit guided christians not following the bible? why is the holy spirit contradicting itself? you keep throwing at me what jesus said and arent bothering to answer the FACTS and STATS i presented to you.

listen to my storey. i have not engaged in sexual acts but i find it very hard not to because i live in a christian country. anything can happen and its free. some of my fellow muslim friends here were once religious but when they started going to a catholic school (they were home schooled for about 8 years and the catholic school was real close) i was shocked to find them partying and drinking. 10 out of 12 lost their virginity AT FOURTEEN. the other 2 LOST IT JUST A FEW YEARS LATER.
look at what your christian faith has done. is this REALLY the way to heaven? and thats just a christian school. i go to a normal regualr school and still i find my muslim friends at this one making out with christian girls in the hallways, or outside under a tree. i have no choice but to ditch them or else i too will engage in christian acts. i've had to befriend people who arent very popular because at least for a little while they wont go near the opposite sex.
see what the christian faith has done? if muslims who were once very pious, friendly and clean go out and do christian acts because their christian friends have put the influence on them what makes you think your holy spirit guided christians dont do these things?


Ali:

//While many holy men and women have been blessed to live without sexual practice of any kind, completely devoted to Prayer and Worship of God, ALL THEIR LIVES (i.e. Saint Anthony, Isa Masih, Saint John Chrysostom, etc//

buddy isn't it clear and obvious MOST christians DO NOT practice? again if muslims have fallen into the christian culture, shouldnt the ones who started it be in even more worse conditions? please think rationally.

//So, the question I have is which is more GODLY AND TRUE? To believe that God knows and sees all that is in your heart and mind or to believe that God cannot see what is in our minds and hearts?//

you can countinue to brag about this and that but look around. see what the christian faith has done?
i'm an indian muslim. so the women in my family are very much into the bollywood stuff (india's hollywood). i dont follow it but i know what happpens. the western (christian) culture has caused the actors and actresses to reject their culture clothes and ways of life. we see women wearing slutty clothes, we see a rise in kiss scenes, even sex scene's are becoming more and mre frequent. and the people there have forgottne the hindu faith. they may not be christian but look at the way they act. it IS because of your faith that has caused this. pakistan is more strict but now people want to be western. the government has had to fine several actors because they way they're doing their work. its ruining the pakistan culture and more importantly the islamic faith. because christianity seems like the obious choice. all the freedom and fun. no thats not wat life is. you can tell by what the feedom and fun has got to. its only getting worse.
not long ago we didn teven have kiss scenes in movies. not long ago sex scenes didnt happen. not long ago people on tv didnt sleep in the same beds. now look even kids shows we're seeing hints towards sex. i dont know if the government will get in the way or else christianity will corrupt in the world in a way which will be irreversable.


//then you will agree that CHRISTIANS ARE CALLED TO A PURER STANDARD THAN MUSLIMS for Islam has no such PURE AND HOLY understanding of God and the requirement of purity as it is in the Christian Faith//

no again christianity is in no way pure. my previouse statements PROVE so. its common for christians to come up with attractive ways to propose their faith.
as for islam it is the ONLY faith that actually respects ALL prophets. our book says all prophets were good wise people. the bible doesnt hold the same view. (solomon, david etc).

//From Allah's viewpoint, if you have sexual lustful thoughts towards another woman, you are already guilty of adultery, and in need of forgiveness and Rahman Allah found in Isa Masih and in the cleansing of the mind, heart, soul and body by Ruh Allah as taught in The Pure Christian Faith for over 2000 years.//

again your proving to me iran does not follow the sharia.
again look where your faith has gotten todays youth in. you dont need to be a scholor to see whats happening in the 85% christian west world.


//As to your awful statement that Jesus taught murdering of apostates, where in the new testament do you find us ever teaching murdering anyone?????//

well really this can only be said if you sau jesus is god.
read the old testement. dont say you dont have to follow it. the only reason some christians say that is because its less violent and degrading. i've asked many christiab sites (word.ca, gotquestions.com) about the OT and they say christians need to follow it. a pastor told me that those verses on violence, rape etc were meant for only specific times and places.

//and bless those who wrongly abuse us//

hmm tell me who runs the anti-islam material? who puts our beliefs down in insultin ways? the holy spirit guided christians.


islam is the only faith that'll get you paradise. its the last truth that was revealed muhammed pbuh.


Ali:

// islam's perfect example and ideal muslim, mohammad, even in his 50s did not have control over his sexuality, for he would add to his heram of teenage women, even a 6 year old girl. SIX YEAR OLD GIRL WITH A 50 YEAR OLD GUY! No wonder Aisha could never bear children all her life and had so many other awful sexual lifestyle problems all the rest of her life as described in many hadiths :-(. //

yes he is the perfect one. christians often will pull out verses and hadiths without knowing the history about it.

There's quite a bit of confusion about Aisha's age. But we clearly know that:
First off Aisha was a suggestion by a female companion of the Prophet pbuh, Khawalh bint Hakim. The prophet did not immediately propose to Aisha, but thought for quite awhile about it. Many sources tell that the marriage was for strengthening the relationship between Muhammad pbuh and Abu Bakr.
Aisha was already engaged before to another man, Jubair ibn Mut`am, but it fell through. Tell me, how come aisha's friends were happy for her? why did they wish her good luck? and why didn't the prophets enemies even bring this up? because it was a common practice. in hadiths we see aisha was always happy with her marriage. Tell me how come NO ONE objected to this? The ONLY objectors are the anti islamics of today. EVEN SCHOLORS of all faiths admit this was normal for that time.
Age was one of the main reasons too. People lived MAXIMUM 40-50. And there was no age of consent back then.
Also it is a known fact that hotter climates have an affect on girl's and their maturity.
We see people around Aisha married the same age, Hala, the cousin of Amina bint Wahb was married to Abdul-Muttalib on the same day his son `Abdullah married Aminah bint Wahb who was at Hala’s same age. And Umar ibn Al-Khattab married the daughter of Ali ibn Abi Talib, while he was her grandpa's age.
We see Abu Bakr was concerned because there was a delay of the marriage as well.
In addition to that, when Muhammad pbuh and Aisha were just married, he gave her a necklace. And when friends and family were on the move, Aisha got left behind because she lost the necklace. Not long after we see a group of men who come and ask her if she's lost. Aish tells the men to take her to where the others are. Upon arrival, the men dropped her off and claimed that Aisha had an affair with the men, which Aisha denied. Some investigation was done and the men lied, and they recieved lashes for what they did.
So were these men also pedophiles?
Another hadith shows women going to Aisha for questions about their periods. They were directed to Aisha by Muhammad pbuh because it was embarassing for him to answer their questions in proper detail. We can clearly see Aisha was not the 6 year old of today's society.
Aisha was highly known for her knowledge. She taught lectures, she's responsible for many hadiths, and she was a battle commander as well. She's known as the "Mother of Believers" because she is a perfect example of a muslim wife.

Doens't really matter the age of the man, but 100 years ago the age of consent was 10 in north america and in europe. http://www.ageofconsent.com/comments/numberone.htm and Delaware had it at 7.
It was considered highly shameful if you didn't marry by 12. Even in europe this same thing applied.
When Canada was being formed, it was divided into upper and lower. The government PAID 10-13 year olds to HAVE CHILDREN to increase the population. THERE WAS ZERO objection to this by ANYONE. So if you call muhammed pbuh a pedo, your only insluting the enemies of islam of that time and the arab culture, many others and ALONG with your own. Many undeveloped countries and third world places have ages of marriage between 12-15. And I do believe some US states have it at 16.

what makes a pedo?
http://www.polfed.org/magazine/08_2001/80_2001_paedophile.htm

"Low self esteem. Many pedophiles, although by no means all, do not have a great sense of capacity for adopting a sexual demeanor towards adults or those of their own age or older. They feel unhappy and fearful at the prospect of sexual behaviour with adults and hence turn to children due to the fact that they are unable to have the strength of personality to seek adults for sexual demeanor. When considering treatment therefore it is important to establish and develop a higher sense of self-esteem in such individuals."

Well muhammed pbuh was also married to other women. And he never suffered from low self esteem. So he can't be a pedo.

"Lack of impulse control. Many pedophiles find it extremely difficult to deal with the impulsive nature which inclines them towards sexual behaviour to children. They simply cannot control their need for engaging children in sexual practices. They might be said to suffer from an obsessive-compulsive condition. Here again treatment would involve developing better impulse control and of course redirecting the sexual inclinations."


Yeah muhammed pbuh didn't have any sexual activity for 2 years after his marriage with her. Lack of self control does not apply to him. Also the month of ramadan dicourages sex. so why did he practice this if he had no self control?
Moreover, we see in hadiths that Muhammad pbuh kissed Aisha when she went through menstruation, and Aisha challenged other men on if they had the same control as him.

"Denial. Many pedophiles deny there is anything wrong with having sexual relations with children and many will in due course paradoxically deny having carried out such practices should they be confronted. It is vital to change the attitudes of such individuals much as in the lack of empathy with their victim."

Yeah muhammed pbuh never denied having sex with any of his wives.

"History of previous pedophile activity. Many pedophiles have carried out minor or major acts of pedophile behaviour in the past and this has led to habit as well as the obsessive-compulsive nature of the act towards children. It is vital here to promote alternative habits i.e. in attitudes and demeanor of sexual behaviour with adults."

Muhammed pbuh never had any history of child marriages. And all of his wives were adult and there is no evidence of him being obsessed with children. He didn't marry anyone else of Aisha's age.

"Poor family relationships - many pedophiles have come from families that are in chaos or are lacking in stability. This has led them to view sexual behaviour with children rather than adults as acceptable especially if this has been practised upon them by a member of the family in the past. Although it is difficult to reverse what has happened in the past through discussion or attitude changes it is vital that insight must be gained by the individual into how his/her pedophile activity originated and was developed through the family dynamics."

Even though he was an orphan he was very close to his family members and said himself whoever didn't interact with family members should be denied paradise.

"Low IQ - there are pedophiles who have low intelligence but by no means all are in this category. Where this is the case appropriate therapeutic efforts must be made to develop understanding of what they are doing wrong and what they must do to change."

Even though he was illiterate (nearly all were in his time as education wasn't tradition), he was a very bright boy and a great tradesman to go along with his wise personality.

"Loneliness, depression and relationship needs - this particular trait is associated with low self-esteem and lack of empathy with the victim. Many pedophiles are lonely individuals who live on their own and have found it difficult to establish relationships with adults, especially for sexual purposes. Some suffer from psychological problems and even psychotic illnesses. Here intensive treatment and monitoring is in order."

Muhammed pbuh was never lonly or depressed when he married aisha. he had many friends and companions as well before and after the marriage.

"Having been themselves sexually abused - many pedophiles have themselves been sexually abused in the past by adults. They merely imitate what they experienced and continue their activity considering it as appropriate since it was done to them."

The prophet pbuh was never abused in any way by anyone. So this doesn't apply to him.

none of these do. please quit your missioanry work and leave us muslims to the truth. please leave us and dont insult us. i know the spirit guides you but just ignore it.

Those who disbelieve in the Reminder when it comes unto them (are guilty), for indeed it is an unassailable Scripture. Falsehood cannot come at it from before it or behind it. (It is) a revelation from the Wise, the Owner of Praise" (Qur'an 41:41-42).

"Praise be to God* Who has revealed the Scripture unto His slave, and has not placed therein any crookedness (but has made it) straight" (Qur'an 18:1-2).

"God has (now) revealed the fairest of statements, a Scripture consistent" (Qur'an 39:23).


You know a couple of years ago i didnt care much about the islam faith. i mean i still practiced but i didnt give about what happened in the islamic world.
one day i got sick and had an exam so i had to go to school. i was going to go home but my parents cound't pick me up. so at lunch i went to the computer room and thought i might as well learn about my faith. whats the harm?
so i went to google, typed in islam. do you know why i was confused at the end of the day about my faith? do you know why i all of a sudden in the one hour of lunch i knew alot more about christianity than islam? because pages and pages of google results were christian sites. they have no problem in preaching hatred and lies about islam. i actually was really upset at the things my faith had. so i decided to go to scholory sites and now finally i am back on track. now i know why christians like to make islam look bad. dont tell me jesus said love us. the holy spirit thinks other wise.

Ali:

i visit christian sites often and come out with hatred.
you know neda? yeah those christian sites countinue to boast proudfully "this is because of islam". anything that happens "this is because of islam".
again i do not want to go to a faith where the people act like morons and make stupid remarks, all thank to the holy spiri.
you know neda? yeah those christian sites countinue to boast proudfully "this is because of islam". anything that happens "this is because of islam".
again i do not want to go to a faith where the people act like morons and make stupid remarks, all thank to the holy spirit

Anthony:

Earlier, eventhough United States leaders are constantly declaring America is NOT a Christian Nation, you abusingly accused Christianity in the name of America, rather than accept that Christ of The Bible is not necessarily always the same Christ that some men declare in America and around the world. I hope by now, you have come around, but I have not read that you have understood the difference yet?

In contrast, The islamic republic of Iran is constantly telling us Iranians that they are based on strong understanding of Islam and Sharia Law and according to the ayatollah, Islamic Republic of Iran does all it can to implement Islam in its historically true form. Just like after 9/11, many Muslims left Islam after seeing the muslim inspired 9/11 terrorist bombings, now many muslim friends of mine are now very upset with islam and unfortunately, want to forsake ALL religions because of how the islamic republic of Iran murdered the innocent bystander Neda and how they beat the innocent old women with batons in the streets. Islamic Republic of Iran men also beat many wives to death by pulling them from busses and simply beating them to death in front of their husbands, because unarmed, they came to voice their opposition to the ayatollah's choice. In the name of Allah, he has said that he is Allah's only trusted voice and should be obeyed and ayatollah has recruited muslims from Palestine, Lebanon and other parts of the Islamic world to come to Iran to torture, beat and kill more innocent men, women and children of Iran even now.

Alijun, your double standard is very confusing?

Ali:

//Earlier, eventhough United States leaders are constantly declaring America is NOT a Christian Nation, you abusingly accused Christianity in the name of America, rather than accept that Christ of The Bible is not necessarily always the same Christ that some men declare in America and around the world.//

unfortunatley you ont read my posts properly.
again america is 85% christian and once was actually called one. again christian values are still in america's government and judicial systems.

again you dont understand what the holy spirit is. again you fail to see what paul said about the spirit.

//In contrast, The islamic republic of Iran is constantly telling us Iranians that they are based on strong understanding of Islam and Sharia Law //

sigh... you proved to me iran does not follow sharia. there is no need for my responses about this. again as i told you i've done a thorough study of islam (like most muslims) and again we know what is and isn't islam.

//Just like after 9/11, many Muslims left Islam after seeing the muslim inspired 9/11 terrorist bombings,//

lol common christian response. after any terror attack christians are the FIRST ones to point out whats happening to followers of islam. its expected. but please your tactics are getting old.

again should i blame christianity for all the whatever goes on here in the 85% christian west?


// Iran murdered the innocent bystander Neda and how they beat the innocent old women with batons in the streets//

i knew you were going to come up with neda. again like many of your other "new" statements, i already answered this.i wonder if neda heard what you said, that it was because of islam that murdered her, what would she do? she was a PROUD muslim and knew what islam is. is islam really responsible for for what free-will muslims do? is it because of islam they drink? have premartial sex? or are you christians only going to take discussions about violence in relation to the islam faith?

//Islamic Republic of Iran men also beat many wives to death by pulling them from busses and simply beating them to death in front of their husbands, because unarmed, they came to voice their opposition to the ayatollah's choice//

again you're 100 PERCENT PROVING to me iran does not use sharia. does not matter if if muslim countries call themselves islamic (this is yet but another sad tactic by christians-putting islamic infront of ANYTHING)
yes it is sad what some muslim do in these so called islamic countries. muhammed pbuh predicted this:
"Allah's Apostle said, "When honesty is lost, then wait for the Hour." It was asked, "How will honesty be lost, O Allah's Apostle?" He said, "When authority is given to those who do not deserve it, then wait for the Hour." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, To make the Heart Tender (Ar-Riqaq), volume 8, Book 76, Number 503)"

this includes ayotallah, some saudi leaders etc.

//ayatollah has recruited muslims from Palestine, Lebanon and other parts of the Islamic world to come to Iran to torture, beat and kill more innocent men, women and children of Iran even now.//

again you're PROVING to me iran is NOT an islamic country.

really anthony you've ignored my previous messages and continue to gloat about the same stuff. which is why i'll send them again

Ali:

//You continue to ignore the post I gave you already since you have obviously not heard what I have already told you many times//

stop copying me. you are the one who has yet to give me a proper answer on many things from debating about women (WHICH I'M STILL WAITING RESPONSES FOR). now your throwing at me random things? doesnt matter i as well as ALL muslims can refute your christian holy spirit guided lies and myths. you're probably aware nearly every single source of anti-islam material is christian run (faithfreedom is atheist but still has a number of christian contributers). another reason why i and muslims dont want to become christian. why choose a faith that creates lies, myths and hatred among other people?

//So, by your standard, the Muslim country of Iran, inspired and run by
the principles of Qur'an and Sharia Law//

Again no. If you read the quran you would see how iran is NOT following the sharia. Most of the islamic states do NOT follow the sharia INCLUDING saudi arabia. these countries may say so but what they do is not in the quran or hadith, hence NO SHARIA.
Buddy i've memorized the quran and hadith in 3 different languages (of course arabic, english, my own language urdu plus i can translate into french as well (i was in french immersion until gr 6)). and i've done a crticial analysis of hadiths. to go along with i have 6 islamic channels, mainly from pakistan and the scholors that come on there condemn all barbaric acts from islamists to countries like iran, pakistan itself and saudi arabia.

//As for muslim country problems with sexual sins, the same study source you provided also tells us that 14% of all Muslims in Islamic republic of Iran admitted to having premarital sex by age 15! YES 15 YEARS OLD and 28% of those same Muslim men and women admitted to having premarital sex by age 18 and only 76% think homosexuality is wrong with 24% of the Muslim men and women in Iran already believing that homosexuality is acceptable and nonsinful behavior//

Your PROVING to me that iran does not run on sharia. again you've contradicted yourself about the sharia.
from you link:
"Twenty-eight percent of the sample reported having engaged in sexual activity. Sexual experience was associated with older age, access to satellite television, ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION..."

Again i find it hard that a sharia run country has beer, wines and spirits lying around for youngsters to get. alcohol is satanic drink which cause plenty of problems as you can see which is why christianity allows it and islam forbids it.

//Plus in Iran, we have the awful practice of MUSLIM APPROVAL of premarital sex even for devout Muslims by having Mullahs prescribe signing of "sighehs", where single or married men can have all the sex they want with prostitutes or any other woman, as long as they sign a paper together//

seems like a christian sharia. looks like they're trying to follow the 85% christian US. again i ask you why you keep contradicting youself between what your christians do and what is in the sharia.

//That was one of the eye opening experiences I remember vividly about ISLAMIC teaching that our mullah in New Jersey//

tell me since you've read the quran how is this islamic?

//Isa Masih (The Word of God and Spirit of God, the ONLY ONE born of a Virgin birth by The HOLY SPIRIT Miracle of God
) told all humanity that it is not only sinful to act out sexual sins, but it is also unlawful to think about a person made in God's Image in sexual sins, for IN CHRISTIANITY SEX IS BLESSED IN MARRIAGE AND MARRIAGE ALONE!//

first this is yet another christian missioanry tactic. replacing isa with jesus so they can get closer to muslims. and you still claim your not a missioanry?
so tell me, 90% of the 300 million americans had premartial sex. america is 85% christian and still runs on christian values. why are the holy spirit guided christians not following the bible? why is the holy spirit contradicting itself? you keep throwing at me what jesus said and arent bothering to answer the FACTS and STATS i presented to you.

listen to my storey. i have not engaged in sexual acts but i find it very hard not to because i live in a christian country. anything can happen and its free. some of my fellow muslim friends here were once religious but when they started going to a catholic school (they were home schooled for about 8 years and the catholic school was real close) i was shocked to find them partying and drinking. 10 out of 12 lost their virginity AT FOURTEEN. the other 2 LOST IT JUST A FEW YEARS LATER.
look at what your christian faith has done. is this REALLY the way to heaven? and thats just a christian school. i go to a normal regualr school and still i find my muslim friends at this one making out with christian girls in the hallways, or outside under a tree. i have no choice but to ditch them or else i too will engage in christian acts. i've had to befriend people who arent very popular because at least for a little while they wont go near the opposite sex.
see what the christian faith has done? if muslims who were once very pious, friendly and clean go out and do christian acts because their christian friends have put the influence on them what makes you think your holy spirit guided christians dont do these things?

Ali:

//While many holy men and women have been blessed to live without sexual practice of any kind, completely devoted to Prayer and Worship of God, ALL THEIR LIVES (i.e. Saint Anthony, Isa Masih, Saint John Chrysostom, etc//

buddy isn't it clear and obvious MOST christians DO NOT practice? again if muslims have fallen into the christian culture, shouldnt the ones who started it be in even more worse conditions? please think rationally.

//So, the question I have is which is more GODLY AND TRUE? To believe that God knows and sees all that is in your heart and mind or to believe that God cannot see what is in our minds and hearts?//

you can countinue to brag about this and that but look around. see what the christian faith has done?
i'm an indian muslim. so the women in my family are very much into the bollywood stuff (india's hollywood). i dont follow it but i know what happpens. the western (christian) culture has caused the actors and actresses to reject their culture clothes and ways of life. we see women wearing slutty clothes, we see a rise in kiss scenes, even sex scene's are becoming more and mre frequent. and the people there have forgottne the hindu faith. they may not be christian but look at the way they act. it IS because of your faith that has caused this. pakistan is more strict but now people want to be western. the government has had to fine several actors because they way they're doing their work. its ruining the pakistan culture and more importantly the islamic faith. because christianity seems like the obious choice. all the freedom and fun. no thats not wat life is. you can tell by what the feedom and fun has got to. its only getting worse.
not long ago we didn teven have kiss scenes in movies. not long ago sex scenes didnt happen. not long ago people on tv didnt sleep in the same beds. now look even kids shows we're seeing hints towards sex. i dont know if the government will get in the way or else christianity will corrupt in the world in a way which will be irreversable.


//then you will agree that CHRISTIANS ARE CALLED TO A PURER STANDARD THAN MUSLIMS for Islam has no such PURE AND HOLY understanding of God and the requirement of purity as it is in the Christian Faith//

no again christianity is in no way pure. my previouse statements PROVE so. its common for christians to come up with attractive ways to propose their faith.
as for islam it is the ONLY faith that actually respects ALL prophets. our book says all prophets were good wise people. the bible doesnt hold the same view. (solomon, david etc).

//From Allah's viewpoint, if you have sexual lustful thoughts towards another woman, you are already guilty of adultery, and in need of forgiveness and Rahman Allah found in Isa Masih and in the cleansing of the mind, heart, soul and body by Ruh Allah as taught in The Pure Christian Faith for over 2000 years.//

again your proving to me iran does not follow the sharia.
again look where your faith has gotten todays youth in. you dont need to be a scholor to see whats happening in the 85% christian west world.


//As to your awful statement that Jesus taught murdering of apostates, where in the new testament do you find us ever teaching murdering anyone?????//

well really this can only be said if you sau jesus is god.
read the old testement. dont say you dont have to follow it. the only reason some christians say that is because its less violent and degrading. i've asked many christiab sites (word.ca, gotquestions.com) about the OT and they say christians need to follow it. a pastor told me that those verses on violence, rape etc were meant for only specific times and places.

//and bless those who wrongly abuse us//

hmm tell me who runs the anti-islam material? who puts our beliefs down in insultin ways? the holy spirit guided christians.


islam is the only faith that'll get you paradise. its the last truth that was revealed muhammed pbuh.
Ali:

// islam's perfect example and ideal muslim, mohammad, even in his 50s did not have control over his sexuality, for he would add to his heram of teenage women, even a 6 year old girl. SIX YEAR OLD GIRL WITH A 50 YEAR OLD GUY! No wonder Aisha could never bear children all her life and had so many other awful sexual lifestyle problems all the rest of her life as described in many hadiths :-(. //

yes he is the perfect one. christians often will pull out verses and hadiths without knowing the history about it.

First off he did not approach her. Aisha's parents offered her to muhammed pbuh. aisha was already engaged before to another man but it fell through. Tell me, how come asha's friends were happy for her? why did they wish her good luck? and why didn't the prophets enemies even bring this up? because it was a common practice. in hadiths we see aisha was always happy with her marriage. Tell me how come NO ONE objected to this? The ONLY objectors are the anti islamics of today. EVEN SCHOLORS admit this was normal for that time.
Age was one of the main reasons too. People lived MAXIMUM 40-50.

Doens't really matter the age of the man, but 100 years ago the age of consent was 10 in north america and in europe. http://www.ageofconsent.com/comments/numberone.htm
it was considered highly shameful if you didn't marry by 12. Even in europe this same thing applied.
When Canada was being formed, it was divided into upper and lower. The government PAID 10-13 year olds to HAVE CHILDREN to increase the population. THERE WAS ZERO objection to this by ANYONE. So if you call muhammed pbuh a pedo, your only insluting the enemies of islam of that time and the arab culture, many others and ALONG with your own.

what makes a pedo?
http://www.polfed.org/magazine/08_2001/80_2001_paedophile.htm

"Low self esteem. Many pedophiles, although by no means all, do not have a great sense of capacity for adopting a sexual demeanor towards adults or those of their own age or older. They feel unhappy and fearful at the prospect of sexual behaviour with adults and hence turn to children due to the fact that they are unable to have the strength of personality to seek adults for sexual demeanor. When considering treatment therefore it is important to establish and develop a higher sense of self-esteem in such individuals."

Well muhammed pbuh was also married to other women. And he never suffered from low self esteem. So he can't be a pedo.

"Lack of impulse control. Many pedophiles find it extremely difficult to deal with the impulsive nature which inclines them towards sexual behaviour to children. They simply cannot control their need for engaging children in sexual practices. They might be said to suffer from an obsessive-compulsive condition. Here again treatment would involve developing better impulse control and of course redirecting the sexual inclinations."


Yeah muhammed pbuh didn't have any sexual activity for 2 years after his marriage with her. Lack of self control does not apply to him. Also the month of ramadan dicourages sex. so why did he practice this if he had no self control?

"Denial. Many pedophiles deny there is anything wrong with having sexual relations with children and many will in due course paradoxically deny having carried out such practices should they be confronted. It is vital to change the attitudes of such individuals much as in the lack of empathy with their victim."

Yeah muhammed pbuh never denied having sex with any of his wives.

"History of previous pedophile activity. Many pedophiles have carried out minor or major acts of pedophile behaviour in the past and this has led to habit as well as the obsessive-compulsive nature of the act towards children. It is vital here to promote alternative habits i.e. in attitudes and demeanor of sexual behaviour with adults."

Muhammed pbuh never had any history of child marriages. And all of his wives were adult and there is no evidence of him being obsessed with children.

"Poor family relationships - many pedophiles have come from families that are in chaos or are lacking in stability. This has led them to view sexual behaviour with children rather than adults as acceptable especially if this has been practised upon them by a member of the family in the past. Although it is difficult to reverse what has happened in the past through discussion or attitude changes it is vital that insight must be gained by the individual into how his/her pedophile activity originated and was developed through the family dynamics."

Even though he was an orphan he was very close to his family members and said himself whoever didn't interact with family members should be denied paradise.

"Low IQ - there are pedophiles who have low intelligence but by no means all are in this category. Where this is the case appropriate therapeutic efforts must be made to develop understanding of what they are doing wrong and what they must do to change."

Even though he was illiterate (nearly all were in his time as education wasn't tradition), he was a very bright boy and a great tradesman to go along with his wise personality.

"Loneliness, depression and relationship needs - this particular trait is associated with low self-esteem and lack of empathy with the victim. Many pedophiles are lonely individuals who live on their own and have found it difficult to establish relationships with adults, especially for sexual purposes. Some suffer from psychological problems and even psychotic illnesses. Here intensive treatment and monitoring is in order."

Muhammed pbuh was never lonly or depressed when he married aisha. he had many friends and companions as well before and after the marriage.

"Having been themselves sexually abused - many pedophiles have themselves been sexually abused in the past by adults. They merely imitate what they experienced and continue their activity considering it as appropriate since it was done to them."

The prophet pbuh was never abused in any way by anyone. So this doesn't apply to him.

none of these do. please quit your missioanry work and leave us muslims to the truth. please leave us and dont insult us. i know the spirit guides you but just ignore it.

Those who disbelieve in the Reminder when it comes unto them (are guilty), for indeed it is an unassailable Scripture. Falsehood cannot come at it from before it or behind it. (It is) a revelation from the Wise, the Owner of Praise" (Qur'an 41:41-42).

"Praise be to God Who has revealed the Scripture unto His slave, and has not placed therein any crookedness (but has made it) straight" (Qur'an 18:1-2).

"God has (now) revealed the fairest of statements, a Scripture consistent" (Qur'an 39:23).


You know a couple of years ago i didnt care much about the islam faith. i mean i still practiced but i didnt give about what happened in the islamic world.
one day i got sick and had an exam so i had to go to school. i was going to go home but my parents cound't pick me up. so at lunch i went to the computer room and thought i might as well learn about my faith. whats the harm?
so i went to google, typed in islam. do you know why i was confused at the end of the day about my faith? do you know why i all of a sudden in the one hour of lunch i knew alot more about christianity than islam? because pages and pages of google results were christian sites. they have no problem in preaching hatred and lies about islam. i actually was really upset at the things my faith had. so i decided to go to scholory sites and now finally i am back on track. now i know why christians like to make islam look bad. dont tell me jesus said love us. the holy spirit thinks other wise.

Ali:

i visit christian sites often and come out with hatred.
you know neda? yeah those christian sites countinue to boast proudfully "this is because of islam". anything that happens "this is because of islam".
again i do not want to go to a faith where the people act like morons and make stupid remarks, all thank to the holy spirit

Anthony:

Alijun, The Christian Faith is determined by the word of Allah to Christians and by
the Perfect Example of Christ as well as the pious lives of Christian heroes of our Faith like Saint Anthony, Saint John Chrysostom, etc. Here is the Living Word of Allah from our Holy Book. Do you see how modern western culture contradicts the clear commandments of Allah here:

Treat older women as mothers, and younger women as sisters, WITH ABSOLUTE PURITY. (1Tim 5)

So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law. The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. (Gal 5)

Isa/Yesous: Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven...You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.'But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. (Matt 5)

And now, can we agree that these words are a blessing from the Holy Word of Allah?

Ali:

// Do you see how modern western culture contradicts the clear commandments of Allah here://

i already said this. the christian faith started up christian culture in what MOST CHRISTIANS TODAY DO FOLLOW.

//So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature//

here you go again anthony. you continue to ignore my posts.
again the holy spirit is NOT guiding MOST christians especially in the 85% christian west.

//Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. (Gal 5)//

yes since jesus as you claim "died for your sins" then there is no reason christians wont do anything that goes against the bible (hint hint my previous posts AGAIN).

//'Do not commit adultery.'But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. (Matt 5)//

again the holy spirit is absolutely NOT in the hearts of the christians in the west. again 90% of americans had pre-martial sex. all thanks to the spirit. recently a church goer and a memeber of a ministry in the US who are current governors admitted to affairs. again the holy spirit is NOT guiding.

//And now, can we agree that these words are a blessing from the Holy Word of Allah?//

lol the same bible that says snails melt?
again MOST christians ARE NOT being guided by the holy spirit. you ignoring my posts and coming up with verses proves you're not capable of answering my posts.
again if your next message is again not related to my previous messages, i will just send them again.

4:156-159 "That they rejected Faith; That they uttered against Mary A grave false charge; That they said (in boast): 'We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah.' But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, BUT ONLY A CONJECTURE TO FOLLOW, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay, Allah raised him up Unto Himself; and Allah Is Exalted in Power, Wise. And there is none of the people of the book (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (Jesus) Before his death; And on the Day of Judgment He (Jesus) will be a witness Against them."

Ali:

anthony i've been waiting for a response from you for awhile now.
typical christian. trying to engage in a debate then running away.

Anthony:

Alijun, I have over 500 contacts to keep up with and several businesses to run. I have to prioritize my time based on availability and openness of heart on the recipients side. Many are humble to Allah and some like yourself remain prideful and even speak blasphemies attacking the Word of Allah as was shown in our interactions so far. If you are debating, so far you have failed to make one point logically for modern antichristian islam. If you are humble towards Allah to know God's WORD and SPIRIT, that is Isa Masih, the Eternal Kalimat Allah, then ask humble questions and you shall receive honest guidance from this one who abides in God and in whom God graciously lives.

Ali:

lol again with the christian tactics. i've been defending islam and i've shut you up about the christian myths and lies you and your people throw at us. again christians have NO problem in hurting people. they have NO problem in putting down beliefs. again all thanks to the holy spirit guiding oyu.
i've sent you detailed statements with sources which show why i'm not a christian and why christianity has ruined the world. the word of allah is the unchanged, errorless quran which is chainging christian lives every day.
i've failed making a point? again you've COMPLETETLY IGNORED my posts. you hav failed to defend them proving the weakness in your faith. dont worry like i've said in my previous posts that a majority of the worlds christians o not even practice the faith.
its funny i've talked alot about the holy spirit and you've failed to defend it.
again your sick evil christian propoganda that you send me has no effect on me. i pray to God that i dont fall into satans traps, or else i'll be like every other christian. an adulterer, a drug addict, a partyer, an abusive person etc. again i've proved this to you with my previous posts in which you've ingored.

the quran speaks on paul:
"Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from God," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (The Noble Quran, 2:79)"

"Who can be more wicked than one who inventeth a lie against God, or saith, "I have received inspiration," when he hath received none, or (again) who saith, "I can reveal the like of what God hath revealed"? If thou couldst but see how the wicked (do fare) in the flood of confusion at death! - the angels stretch forth their hands, (saying),"Yield up your souls: this day shall ye receive your reward,- a penalty of shame, for that ye used to tell lies against God, and scornfully to reject of His signs!" (The Noble Quran, 6:93)"


Anthony:

Strange how now you are raving like a mad lunatic ?

First, The Holy Spirit does not need defending for God Almighty (Allah o Akbar) does not need to answer to his creatures no matter how loudly they shout or yell at God The Holy Spirit.

Tactics--> what are you talking about?

As to the Qur'an talking about The Apostle Paul --> you quoted 2 passages from the Qur'an that do not mention his name but are specifically talking about false Jews who were selling verses they said was from The Torah, but obviously they were not. why are you now getting desperate?

http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/christs_apostles.htm exposition on Surah 36 from Islamic sources should help you find a common ground of Peace with God's Holy Apostles rather than start raving like a mad lunatic against those Who God chose. The Holy Apostle Peter himself wrote that the letters of Paul are given by God The Holy Spirit and no True Word of Allah is given by the inspiration of man (2Peter 1:21)

Today I was meditating on God's Word as Isa spoke to us in The Injil and told us that He has given special authority to the Apostles to judge the 12 tribes of Israel. May you humble yourself to those prophets and Apostles whom God chose and not find yourself on the other side of them in outer darkness as you are unfortunately in the state now :-(.

God's Mercies and Grace to you if you will receive them from The ONE True Allah, for there is only ONE God and no other and He has revealed Himself in Isa Masih most completely.

humbly in Christ,
Anthony

Ali:

//First, The Holy Spirit does not need defending for God Almighty (Allah o Akbar) does not need to answer to his creatures no matter how loudly they shout or yell at God The Holy Spirit.//

once again anthony you've proved you're an excellant reader. this is COMPLETELY irrelevant to what i was aying about the holy spirit.

//Tactics--> what are you talking about? //

I've heard this one before. missioanries often try to make it seem as if they're "secret" tactics aren't being exposed so quickley until they actually convert people. every few weeks i get rings at my door AT 7 AM from missionaries. i think next time i'll put on the sprinklers.
using allah as god, using isa as jesus injil as the bible and so on. please we muslims are dumb and inferior like many missioanries think.

//As to the Qur'an talking about The Apostle Paul --> you quoted 2 passages from the Qur'an that do not mention his name but are specifically talking about false Jews who were selling verses they said was from The Torah, but obviously they were not. why are you now getting desperate?//

why would God mention his name? many people have books that they "claim" god gave them. the verse is talking about OTHER FALSE APOSTLES as well. some of whom have been muslims who claim they're isa. paul was a guy who was no different. no he didnt call himself isa but when a guy writes about God coming out of a 12 year old's vagina then dying, then living a spirit in christians, you start to wonder.

Stage 1 of a "former muslim"- you are now calling me desperate. yet you still havent answered more than half my posts.


//http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/christs_apostles.htm exposition on Surah 36 from Islamic sources should help you find a common ground of Peace with God's Holy Apostles rather than start raving like a mad lunatic against those Who God chose. The Holy Apostle Peter himself wrote that the letters of Paul are given by God The Holy Spirit and no True Word of Allah is given by the inspiration of man (2Peter 1:21)//

here is Stage 2- linking to christian sites that insult muslims and try to prove islam is false. this is yet another mere tactic that no muslim has yet fallen into.
again you're proving to me these christians are holy spirit guided. they have NO problem in insulting, hating and hurting. but i would find it surprising that many muslims are aware of christian sites. nearly every single site bashes islam. why? all thanks to the holy spirit. again you would have read this in my previous posts if you didnt ingore them.

//Today I was meditating on God's Word as Isa spoke to us in The Injil and told us that He has given special authority to the Apostles to judge the 12 tribes of Israel. May you humble yourself to those prophets and Apostles whom God chose and not find yourself on the other side of them in outer darkness as you are unfortunately in the state now :-(.

God's Mercies and Grace to you if you will receive them from The ONE True Allah, for there is only ONE God and no other and He has revealed Himself in Isa Masih most completely.//


Today (like every muslim, everyday) i read the quran and some hadiths.
God has chosen islam and his final truth. the uncorrupted one. he made muhammed (shiloh) pbuh, the praised one, his last messanger. He speaks to us from the holy quran, the path to paradise. am i saying this because of my parents and that i belive because they do? no, again like nearly every muslim we know this faith will lead us to jannah).

Stage 3- You're calling me a follower of a dark faith. proves i'm getting to you.

la illaha illalla muhammed arasul allah
(there is no God but allah and muhammed pbuh is his last messanger).

oh and since you like to link to anti-islam christian sites (again i've asked you why would i want to join a faith of hate, adultery, drugs, partying etc..????) go see answering-christianity.com. you'll learn an thing or two about your sick minded christian missaionry friends. and check my blog out too-answeringchristians.blogspot.com- i run this with a former christian woman.


Well Anthony is a calm and good guy, but his knoweldge one Islam is extremly limited, and the same goes for his "new" faith.

No comments: