Wednesday, August 26, 2009

A response to Pamela Geller

Any who I was looking at a few articles on the convert to christianity Riqfa Barry, and I dont understand why she had to convert to Christianity because she was already doing Christian acts (cheerleading). So I came across a site which is a feeder to Jihadwatch run by a woman named Pamela Geller. Geller praises Robert Spencer and often has her fairy tales on Jihadwatch.

So I looked around her site and her myths and lies are just the same and ordinary like any other islamphobe/christian. And I want to share them, paragraph by paragraph. The asterisks will be my commentary. From her site:

The leftist Islamic alliance is pulling out all the stops to crush the power of authenticity, the gospel truth, the word of a just turned 17 year old girl, Rifqa Bary. The Islamic spin machine was slow on the media spin uptake, as they thought for sure that they had the cat (or in this case Rifqa) in the bag when they went into the jurisdiction hearing on Friday. They assumed Rifqa would be sent back to Ohio and dealt with accordingly.

**So Suddenly the media is for Islam huh? This is but another sad christian tactic. They want to fool people in saying the media doesn't do enough. Oh and Gospel of truth? I dont know why christians keep saying this. You dont need to be a scholar to know who/what created the bible we have today. Along with the numerous contradictions, science errors and the time it took for the bible to be actually published, what makes it the truth? There is nothing that backs it up but the words of men who never met or spoke to Jesus**

But the candor and integrity in this girl's desperate plea set freedom loving people alight. Furious flurries of emails, faxes, and phone calls from blog readers, talk radio listeners, etc., were frantically made in a lifesaving plea for this brave girl's life. And G-d bless, she was saved (in more ways than one). And if you haven't dashed off a note of thanks to Governor Crist, by all means do it.

**Hmm flurries of emails, faxes and phone calls. And all I'm guessing from the great Christian Nation we call the USA. And all most likely having some negative thoughts about Islam to support their claims.**

But now, the cultural jihadists and their infiltrators are furiously at work. The media puppets are called to do their masters' bidding. And so they are. I called the shills over at The Orlando Sentinel to task here and here and here. But that was only the beginning. That was small taters.

** Culture Jihadists? Wow these Christians sure are quick in coming up with these fancy names.**

Now, a larger context comes into play. Those who question the violent teachings of Muhammad are being painted with the racist brush. The objective is to smear those who dare speak the truth and validate, with scholarship and historic evidence and accuracy, Rifqa Bary's claims. The left's weapon - ridicule and smear. If you destroy a person, their analysis and work is destroyed as well, rendered worthless.

**Violent teachings? Are these still going on despite the tireless efforts of muslims, who actually KNOW Islam?? Do you see how God is showing us the ignorance of these people? Oh and where does Islam say kill those who speak against it IN FULL CONTEXT. And what scholarship and historic evidence THAT HASN'T BEEN REFUTED?**

Today, Kos, the largest left-wing blog on the net, went after "anti-Muslim" blogs and pundits. Robert Spencer, best selling author of nine books (his latest is "The Complete Infidel's Guide to the Koran," which is about to hit the book stores), renowned scholar on Islam and great friend of Atlas, beheaded Kos's fallacious and intellectually dishonest argument.

**Whoa whoa wait hold up, did she actually just say Robert Spencer is a SCHOLAR? Oh yeah she did. Ok then Ms Geller, care to explain:
-Why Robert Spencer was quiet before 9/11 and claims he's been studying Islam for 30 years now? Where is his work on Jihad and just in general, Islam before 9/11?
-Why did it take his site to come 2 years after 9/11?
-Why did pretty much all of his work start 2 years after 9/11 (including his books)?
-Why do his claims look like they're a mere copy and paste from the hundreds of other anti-islam sites?
-Why does he present the same laughable claims over and over even though I'm sure he knows Muslims have taken care of them?
-Why does he consistently attack the status of women in islam by presenting the same old hadiths and verses in which again, muslims have taken care of?
-Why does he use unreliable hadiths?

It's nice you put the word "beheading" to use, as it really does reflect the history of Christianity**

This is the strategy. It is no accident that Kos decided to do a counter jihad smear today. You can't attack a little girl every day and rally the folks. So now it's time to take down her defenders.

Daily Kos sides with Islamic supremacists who want to extinguish free speech and oppress women and non-Muslims Robert Spencer

Leftist/Jihadist Alliance Update: "LoonWatch Explores the Underworld of Anti-Muslim Blogging," by Devon Moore at the Daily Kos, August 24:

The anti-Muslim blogosphere is a cesspool of some of the most vile hatred and misinformation on the internet.

It is not "hate" to report accurately on how Islamic jihadists use Islamic texts and teachings to justify violence against non-Muslims. Nor is it "anti-Muslim" to do so. If the Kos gang is interested in actual "hate," they should write about those who kill unbelievers and oppress women in the name of Sharia. It is not "hate" to defend the equality of rights of women with men, freedom of speech, and other rights that are denied under Sharia.

**So now we move onto the so called opression of women. I'm not being sarcastic at all, these people need to read the Quran and hadiths in yet again FULL TEXT. If they did they'd see 1) Islam gives women more than enough rights 2) Islam raised the status of women from actual oppressive times (and coincidently they were christian times) 3) Nowhere in the Quran or hadith does it mention "male dominance", your bible does though as clearly Paul in Timothy wrote Women can't have any authority over men. 4) Quran and hadith speak to both men and women about everything, giving more meaning that there is 100% equality in Islam. The extremists we see today are using christian laws (opreesion of women is more justifiable when we compare the bible to the extremists) but they actually aren't pointing it out. Maybe you can find Islamic scriptures that support them? Most likely not.
The Sharia is 1. It only denies the rights of christian women of today (strippers, porn stars, clothless dancers etc). There cant be another implementation. Moreover non-muslims aren't opressed either. Neither s there "free" killing of them. Just more sad christian myth used.**

The anti-Muslims cover a wide spectrum though most can be found slithering in the Right-Wing. They range from academics such as Daniel Pipes, self-declared scholars like Robert Spencer and his JihadWatch, to open racists such as Debbie Schlussel, Pamela Geller and the blog Gates of Vienna.

"Open racists"? When the Left can't argue (which is most of the time), they smear and lie. Schlussel and Geller are freedom fighters, warriors for human rights. Only to a Leftist would that be "racist." They are not open racists or closet racists or any kind of racists.

**Some blog is writing about Robert Spencer and other anti-islamics and Geller's site is trying to make a response (validity is something these people do not know).
So you've come with with smear and lie huh? Usually, and I've noticed this from debates i've had, the opposition in a struggle to defend or stay alive in a dialogue (not that Geller is alive anyways, she's missing major points about Islam) will often use such words to gain momentum. And thats what we see here. And by criticizing a faith with uneducated responses and no references, it is insulting therefore making you a "racist".**

Just for the record, the "feud" did not break out over "whether or not the anti-Muslims should join forces with European neo-fascists." It broke out over a couple of weblinks. No one was or is saying that anti-jihadists (which is not the same thing as "anti-Muslims") should join forces with European neo-fascists. The question was whether one could find wanting Johnson's "proof" that certain groups were actually neo-fascist without in turn being defamed as a neo-fascist and racist by Johnson. The answer turned out to be no. But the issue here was never whether anyone should ally with genuine European neo-fascists. Of course no one should.

**Okay whatever**

Various websites have taken up the task of chronicling the exploits and breaking down the hate of the anti-Muslim blogosphere. There is Islamophobia-Watch,, and a few others though none seem to be as organized, or updated as their opponents. However, LoonWatch, a site that I have been following since I learned about it over 3 months ago and which I have featured as an editor of the Islam page on Topix is one site that gives the anti-Muslims a run for their money.

For one, they aren't defensive, instead they satirize and poke fun at the lunacy that is Islamophobia such as: blaming every negative piece of news from the Middle East on Islam, calls for nuking Mekka, the stereotypes of the subjugation of covered women, evil Muslim cells lurking around the corner, leftists colluding with Muslim terrorists, etc.

They "satirize and poke fun." In other words, they can't answer the arguments presented (not that I do the things enumerated above in the first place). It's straight out of the Left's playbook. As Alinsky put it in Rules for Radicals, "RULE 5: 'Ridicule is man's most potent weapon.' There is no defense. It's irrational. It's infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions."

I am pointing this out to you because this is a campaign that is being waged by the left and the islamists to attempt to control the damage by one little girl who dared to tell the truth. And this is just the beginning. It will not end. In order to destroy Rifqa, they must destroy the truth. In order to destroy the truth, they must destroy the truth tellers

**So here the other site or blog was writing, and since the media is usually against Islam, when they sometimes actually write something a little less bias, anti-muslims jump up and around whining that the media is for Islam. Like i said above these are just sick christian tactics. And looky here Pamela is saying Rifqa is speaking the truth about Islam. Oh okay one person who actually has been involved in the christian faith for 4 years now, is a cheerleader and most likely is connected to other christian acts (relationships, partying), you're saying that person is a muslim??**

Or in Time:

Not surprisingly, Rifqa is turning into a cause célèbre. Conservative websites often accused of anti-Muslim agendas, such as the Jawa Report, Atlas Shrugs and WorldNetDaily, have been lighting up over the Rifqa fight. No doubt conservative and anti-U.S. Muslim will eventually step into the media frenzy.

Saving a life a young girl's life is a "cause celebre". But when the leftists rally, advocate, campaign, pressure, intimidate, throw concerts for the release of their favorite murderer, cop killer Mumia abu Jamal, that's not a "cause celebre"?

**Hmmm Abu Jamal, i haven't read anywhere he was a pracicing muslim, actually I haven't read ANYWHERE HE WAS A MUSLIM. Here folks we see another tactic. You have an Arabic name and you are automatically a muslim hands down. Also with all the media into this situation, I highly doubt Rifqa would get a so called "honour killing", oh while you read this why not give me a hadith or Quran verse that supports "honour killings"?**

CAIR set out to define the strategy here.

Rifqa is an apostate in America. The icon of freedom vs shariah. In an Islamic country, she would be history. In America? Well, that is what is at play here, is it not?

...a secret strategy meeting conducted by the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) earlier this week has conveyed the strategy that the media's favorite Islamist group has devised to respond to the ongoing public relations crisis. According to my source who attended the strategy session, CAIR officials handed out copies of this Orlando Sentinel article and want supporters to push the meme that Christians have brainwashed and abducted this gullible teenage girl. They have also instructed supporters to circulate rumors that Rifqa had been carousing with infidel boys and engaged in acts of immorality. This CAIR strategy takes the focus off the near-universal Islamic legal precepts and Quranic injunctions that demand death for apostates and impugns the character of the innocent girl at the center of this controversy who appears to be in genuine fear for her life if she is returned to her parents.

As Andy Bostom points out here:

Rifqa Bary faces death for her apostasy from Islam, while the media ignores the solid religious and institutional grounding for the practice. Today. In America.

**So CAIR is now speaking up on this. But Pamela put a little phrase in above, saying this issue is freedm vs sharia. So really christian sharia (drugs, prostitution, rape, murder, theft, clothless women walking at midnight etc) vs Islamic sharia. And again as WomenForTruth proved, there is no death among apostates. Only a minority think so because 1) apostasy isn't really heard of in Islam, 2) The christian media will overshadow this.
You know it was only a matter of time Rifqa would convert. Again she was sort of a follower of christianity anyways being a cheerleader, being 4 years of sort of a follower of christianity, and again most likely she probably was engaging in other christian acts.
Hey Pamela, you said the Quran calls for death among apostates-WHERE??**

As Andy Bostom points out here:

Rifqa Bary faces death for her apostasy from Islam, while the media ignores the solid religious and institutional grounding for the practice. Today. In America.
Magdi Allam, is an intrepid Egyptian-born writer and vociferous critic of jihadism who was publicly converted to Christianity from Islam by Pope Benedict XVI during an Easter eve service in St Peter's Basilica broadcast worldwide, Saturday March 22, 2008. Writing at the time of his public apostasy, Allam highlighted the West's weakness and flaccidity, foremost, its stifling multiculturalism.

Allam decried the multicultural ethos for blandly asserting the "equality" of cultural and religious mores, even abjuring rational criticism of Islamic religious bigotry -- such as authoritative Islam's living, consensus jurisprudence that those who apostasize from Islam must be killed -- lest the tender sensibilities of Muslims be offended. He noted how in his adopted homeland of Italy, every Muslim can go to a mosque, but in the Muslim world there is ongoing and long-standing discrimination against religious minorities -- notably Christians -- entirely ignored by Western multiculturalists, of all ilks. Allam observed, moreover, the perverse phenomenon that in Western countries,
"When a Westerner decides to convert to Islam, that's fine, but when a Muslim converts to Christianity, it is suddenly the end of the world. Everyone condemns him, as though he has done something of which he should be ashamed."
And Allam concluded with this appropriately stern warning:
"I say that it is time to put an end to the abuse and the violence of Muslims who do not respect the freedom of religious choice. In Italy there are thousands of converts to Islam who live their new faith in peace. But there are also thousands of Muslim converts to Christianity who are forced to hide their faith out of fear of being assassinated by Islamic extremists who lurk among us. If in Italy, in our home, the cradle of Catholicism, we are not prepared to guarantee complete religious freedom to everyone, how can we ever be credible when we denounce the violation of this freedom elsewhere in the world."

**Sigh again with the media ignoring. Hey Pamela or any other reader, tell me where in islam, that we haven't taken care of, does it say to kill apostates? Maybe if you actually picked up a Quran you'd see how Freedom of religion is allowed.
Okay Mr. Allam, take a visit here to the West. Mosques get vandalized, muslims get killed (not because they're muslim, most of the time, but because drunk holy spirit guided christians love to do what they do best-drunk driving). And most certainly, we get insulted and harassed because of our proven true belifs (again pretty much all anti-islam sorts of material is christian run). Again muslims aren't really use to hearing about apostates, most likely not because our relgion calls for death (what many think). Again because we have the proven truth.
Theres countless numbers that convert to Islam, but not many leave. I dont trust the christian sites that claim "millions leave islam", again like we've said before many times these are tactics missionaries use.**

The unassuming and previously unknown Rifqa Bary, has now become, arguably, America's most conspicuous apostate from Islam to Christianity. Truncated, grossly warped media depictions of her plight demonstrate that the American chattering classes remain stubbornly unwilling to even acknowledge, let alone confront Islam's malevolent doctrinal intolerance, ignoring Magdi Allam's plaintive appeal.
Just for knowing, Rifqa Bary is the most courageous person I know. I stand in awe of her and will protect her right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as steadfastly as I would protect my own.

These assclowns will be exposed every time they pull this. It looks awfully bad to keep going after a little girl. Even these depraved evildoers know that. So they alternate -- ruin the girl, then ridicule the truth tellers. Labels, labels, labels. "Racist!" "Anti-Muslim Bigot!" "Islamophobe!"

Get it?

**Zzzzz what? Sorry? I thought I already refuted you?? Oh you're still crying about the media not being on your side?? Ha notice evryone her temper is losing control.
Assclowns? ROFL. I'll be keeping this quote.

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